WEBVTT 00:00:00.300 --> 00:00:04.880 certain moment was talking there about the 10-year rule, 00:00:04.881 --> 00:00:08.400 but that's something I can't find this anywhere, 00:00:08.401 --> 00:00:11.600 where does it, also about leak clarity. 00:00:11.601 --> 00:00:14.040 I went through the text to see that was distinguishing 00:00:14.041 --> 00:00:16.800 between mandatory laws, Rasmus+ grant conditions, 00:00:16.801 --> 00:00:21.640 project safeguards, also GDPR procedure, 00:00:21.641 --> 00:00:25.120 something about consent participation, AI safeguards. 00:00:25.121 --> 00:00:27.120 So I went through the text, 00:00:27.121 --> 00:00:29.120 looking at official documents like, for instance, 00:00:29.121 --> 00:00:34.120 also the, nowadays it's more needed to also indicate, 00:00:34.121 --> 00:00:38.120 or is there something else, no, it's some other place. 00:00:38.121 --> 00:00:40.880 So you have to clarify whether ethics approval is required, 00:00:40.881 --> 00:00:42.250 why open access application do not 00:00:42.251 --> 00:00:44.600 mean public personal data, et cetera. 00:00:44.601 --> 00:00:49.320 It's just because I've been working this inside my Catholic education. 00:00:49.321 --> 00:00:50.920 I'm in the digital transition team, 00:00:50.921 --> 00:00:53.280 and we are really working very hard on this. 00:00:53.281 --> 00:00:56.087 So I gave this text also to some of those 00:00:56.088 --> 00:00:57.960 people there, and they gave some amendments. 00:00:57.961 --> 00:01:02.240 So I made a version two, but like I said, sorry, 00:01:02.241 --> 00:01:05.240 hi, Miguel, I forgot to upload it earlier. 00:01:05.241 --> 00:01:09.200 So maybe better just the people have a look at this 00:01:09.250 --> 00:01:10.999 before we say yes or no, and if you don't 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.080 like it, just delete it, no problem for me. 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:17.920 And the other one, the document you made, Maria Luisa, 00:01:17.921 --> 00:01:21.200 I also went through it, and there also, 00:01:21.201 --> 00:01:25.160 I could add some things and also made another version 00:01:25.161 --> 00:01:27.240 of this Excel file, which can be used then 00:01:27.290 --> 00:01:29.964 to immediately complete data with the one 00:01:29.965 --> 00:01:32.960 to five scale of very poor to very good. 00:01:34.710 --> 00:01:35.520 - Okay. 00:01:35.521 --> 00:01:37.160 - But again, these are just proposals. 00:01:37.161 --> 00:01:39.920 If you say, no, no, no, it's not good, we keep the version one. 00:01:39.945 --> 00:01:41.360 - No, no, perfect. 00:01:41.361 --> 00:01:43.800 I am eager to have feedback, 00:01:43.850 --> 00:01:46.130 because sometimes you don't know if you go well 00:01:46.131 --> 00:01:49.720 or not, and it's very, thank you very much. 00:01:49.721 --> 00:01:51.520 Do you upload the- 00:01:51.521 --> 00:01:54.680 - Yeah, I just upload on the Moodle inside each folder. 00:01:54.681 --> 00:01:56.800 You'll see there version two each time. 00:01:56.801 --> 00:02:01.800 - In any case, when you upload something that you read 00:02:01.801 --> 00:02:06.680 before, we can put a number or the date. 00:02:06.681 --> 00:02:09.080 Something in there, because for example, 00:02:09.081 --> 00:02:11.389 for the agenda for Kiel, I have many 00:02:11.390 --> 00:02:13.640 versions, and I don't know the last one. 00:02:13.641 --> 00:02:15.400 - Oh, by the way, Wim just joined. 00:02:15.401 --> 00:02:16.600 Hi, Wim, hello. 00:02:19.750 --> 00:02:21.000 Oh, you're muted, Wim. 00:02:22.050 --> 00:02:23.360 - Wim, hello. 00:02:24.270 --> 00:02:26.200 (laughs) 00:02:26.700 --> 00:02:31.240 - You are muted, Wim. 00:02:32.090 --> 00:02:34.880 Very nice for us to meet you. 00:02:34.881 --> 00:02:35.720 - Yeah. 00:02:35.721 --> 00:02:38.000 - Wim is also a secondary school teacher. 00:02:38.001 --> 00:02:39.280 - You are unmuted now, Wim. 00:02:39.281 --> 00:02:42.520 I think we can hear you now, if you say something. 00:02:42.521 --> 00:02:44.120 - Hi, Wim. 00:02:44.121 --> 00:02:46.200 - Perhaps we should present him, no? 00:02:46.201 --> 00:02:49.040 - Yes, maybe he doesn't hear us. 00:02:49.041 --> 00:02:50.200 - Do you hear us, Wim? 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:53.480 - Doesn't seem like it. 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:58.360 - I think he has bad connection, I think. 00:02:58.361 --> 00:02:59.361 - Yes. 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.360 - If you just allow me, I think he's still in the building here. 00:03:03.361 --> 00:03:04.200 - Yeah. 00:03:04.201 --> 00:03:06.080 - I'll just have a look if I can find him. 00:03:06.081 --> 00:03:07.400 - Yeah, do that. 00:03:07.401 --> 00:03:11.600 Maria Luisa, which plan do we have to rework? 00:03:11.601 --> 00:03:15.600 Because then Julia can... - Quality assurance plan. 00:03:15.601 --> 00:03:16.440 - Ah, quality assurance. 00:03:16.441 --> 00:03:20.240 - You should do short and clear. 00:03:20.241 --> 00:03:24.160 You don't need to do a big plan with all the project. 00:03:24.210 --> 00:03:27.200 The quality assurance plans, the main thing is that 00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:32.200 how we will achieve all our indicators. 00:03:32.650 --> 00:03:35.240 - Okay, we try that again. 00:03:35.241 --> 00:03:36.080 - If you have any problem, I can help. 00:03:36.081 --> 00:03:39.600 - If you write it down, then we can keep it in mind. 00:03:39.601 --> 00:03:42.600 - And you have a template, download the template. 00:03:42.601 --> 00:03:47.120 I'm doing the template because it has been a long work 00:03:47.121 --> 00:03:50.720 to have a template, the same for all. 00:03:50.721 --> 00:03:53.320 And it could be nice to use this. 00:03:53.321 --> 00:03:54.760 - Okay, we use the template. 00:03:54.761 --> 00:03:59.760 - And see the other plans not to do different things. 00:03:59.761 --> 00:04:02.360 Each plan should be different than the others. 00:04:03.210 --> 00:04:04.080 Okay? 00:04:04.081 --> 00:04:04.920 - Okay, thank you. 00:04:04.921 --> 00:04:07.120 - Perhaps the management, the plan I did, 00:04:07.295 --> 00:04:11.320 I say that this is in this plan, in this plan, 00:04:11.321 --> 00:04:15.320 in this plan, because not to repeat the things. 00:04:15.321 --> 00:04:16.160 - Fine, fine. 00:04:16.161 --> 00:04:17.160 - Thank you. 00:04:17.161 --> 00:04:19.120 - You can read my plan because I say that 00:04:19.121 --> 00:04:21.477 quality assurance plans will be in 00:04:21.478 --> 00:04:23.880 charge of this or something like this. 00:04:23.881 --> 00:04:24.760 - We try. 00:04:24.761 --> 00:04:26.560 - Okay, thank you very much. 00:04:26.561 --> 00:04:28.000 - Yeah, thank you, Maria Luisa. 00:04:28.001 --> 00:04:31.480 I know that you told me before, but I forgot about it. 00:04:31.481 --> 00:04:33.610 - Okay, I think that it was sent the 00:04:33.611 --> 00:04:44.080 ambassador plan, the first draft by Diana. 00:04:44.081 --> 00:04:48.320 Have you received it or I was the only who received? 00:04:48.321 --> 00:04:50.880 When I, she would like to present today, 00:04:50.881 --> 00:04:55.800 but she is not, she cannot join us for the reason we are recording. 00:04:55.801 --> 00:04:57.956 And the ambassador plan, I think that 00:04:58.006 --> 00:05:04.600 should be very similar that our LLT plans, 00:05:04.601 --> 00:05:09.160 because it's something to disseminate the programme of the project. 00:05:09.161 --> 00:05:13.560 Then the two in Cologne and in Madrid, 00:05:13.760 --> 00:05:18.080 the two week of with other people to explain 00:05:18.081 --> 00:05:25.200 or insights can be very similar than ambassador plan, I think. 00:05:25.201 --> 00:05:29.106 Then I think that we will work on this in 00:05:29.107 --> 00:05:33.400 Kiel to try to put the programme of the, 00:05:33.401 --> 00:05:37.320 for Cologne and the ambassador plan, something similar. 00:05:37.321 --> 00:05:40.400 I think that can be connected. 00:05:40.401 --> 00:05:42.240 I don't know what do you think, okay? 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:44.080 - Yeah, that's fine. 00:05:44.081 --> 00:05:48.640 - About the next meeting, everybody has registered. 00:05:48.641 --> 00:05:55.320 The only, Danny, will you come alone or any students will come with you? 00:05:55.321 --> 00:05:57.121 Or you don't know yet the name of the student 00:05:57.230 --> 00:05:58.280 that will come with you? 00:05:58.830 --> 00:06:02.160 - Okay, the problems for him have been resolved. 00:06:02.161 --> 00:06:03.440 So now he can say hello. 00:06:03.441 --> 00:06:04.280 Hi, Wem, go ahead. 00:06:04.281 --> 00:06:05.120 - Hi, Wem. 00:06:05.121 --> 00:06:07.520 - Okay, you are quick. 00:06:07.521 --> 00:06:11.760 We are speaking that ambassador plan will be jointly 00:06:11.761 --> 00:06:17.000 with the plan, with the formative plan for Cologne and for Madrid. 00:06:17.001 --> 00:06:19.440 Then we can discuss this in Kiel. 00:06:19.640 --> 00:06:21.680 I have added this on the agenda, okay? 00:06:21.681 --> 00:06:22.880 - Okay, great. 00:06:22.881 --> 00:06:25.760 - About next meeting, you come with Wem, 00:06:25.761 --> 00:06:29.840 but I don't know, Danny, usually come with any student. 00:06:31.590 --> 00:06:34.040 - I've just said I will come on my own. 00:06:34.041 --> 00:06:36.880 - You will come on your own, okay, on this time, okay. 00:06:36.881 --> 00:06:40.960 - Okay, I just, Maria Luisa, sorry to interrupt. 00:06:40.961 --> 00:06:43.840 I just have the current list here. 00:06:43.841 --> 00:06:47.200 I go through it once, so we really are sure. 00:06:47.201 --> 00:06:49.880 So Maria Luisa is part of the team. 00:06:49.881 --> 00:06:52.080 Javier is coming. 00:06:52.081 --> 00:06:53.280 - Yes, yes, yes. 00:06:53.281 --> 00:06:56.040 Here you have the Kiel, in the minutes, 00:06:56.041 --> 00:06:59.000 you have the agenda, you have the link. 00:06:59.001 --> 00:06:59.840 - Yeah. 00:06:59.841 --> 00:07:01.000 - And here you have all the people. 00:07:01.001 --> 00:07:03.080 Maria Luisa, Javier, yes. 00:07:03.081 --> 00:07:09.160 - Micaela, Sophie, Daniela, Diana, Andrea. 00:07:10.200 --> 00:07:12.400 We don't know him, right, or her. 00:07:12.650 --> 00:07:16.600 - There are two colleagues from the School of Diana. 00:07:16.601 --> 00:07:17.440 - Perfect. 00:07:17.441 --> 00:07:19.480 Denisa, also from the School of Diana. 00:07:19.705 --> 00:07:20.920 - Yes, yes, yes, see here. 00:07:20.921 --> 00:07:24.120 - Luc, Lee, Zinia, Julia, and Wim. 00:07:24.121 --> 00:07:31.480 So we are all in all for Kiel, 13 people, just to- - Luc, Luc and Wim. 00:07:31.481 --> 00:07:34.320 - Yes, they are both there, so. 00:07:34.321 --> 00:07:35.520 - Yeah, we're on the list. 00:07:35.521 --> 00:07:37.200 - Anything else? 00:07:37.201 --> 00:07:38.040 - No. 00:07:38.041 --> 00:07:38.880 - I don't think so. 00:07:38.881 --> 00:07:41.280 I think we are all in Kiel. 00:07:41.281 --> 00:07:42.120 - Perfect, thank you. 00:07:42.121 --> 00:07:47.040 - Galante will join us in the next meetings, but not in this one. 00:07:47.590 --> 00:07:49.320 - Alan has a question, Alan. 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:52.800 - Hi, hello everyone. 00:07:52.801 --> 00:07:55.473 Just to say I'm doing the minutes, and 00:07:55.474 --> 00:07:57.600 I've got- - And Alan, you are not here. 00:07:57.601 --> 00:07:58.440 I see now. 00:07:58.441 --> 00:08:03.680 - I've got the actions from the first point on the agenda so far. 00:08:03.681 --> 00:08:06.520 I can't be in Kiel as I am on a field trip. 00:08:06.521 --> 00:08:08.200 - Okay. 00:08:08.201 --> 00:08:13.080 - Because I didn't know my timetable when that meeting was organized. 00:08:13.081 --> 00:08:17.560 But I can join you virtually if that's possible on the 20th. 00:08:17.561 --> 00:08:20.055 So I can be there the whole day on the 00:08:20.056 --> 00:08:22.280 20th, but I have a field trip on the 19th. 00:08:22.281 --> 00:08:23.280 - Okay. 00:08:23.281 --> 00:08:25.280 - If it's possible to join me, that's fine. 00:08:25.281 --> 00:08:26.120 I'm happy to do that. 00:08:26.121 --> 00:08:28.161 Then I can obviously- - Where are you heading, Alan? 00:08:29.210 --> 00:08:32.000 - Nowhere exciting, just within the UK. 00:08:32.001 --> 00:08:34.520 Just, in fact, within the same city. 00:08:34.620 --> 00:08:39.480 It's out of the classroom, and therefore it's classes as field work. 00:08:39.481 --> 00:08:40.520 - Great. 00:08:40.521 --> 00:08:42.320 - But yeah, sorry about that. 00:08:42.321 --> 00:08:43.160 - No problem. 00:08:43.161 --> 00:08:45.240 - I have two Eurogeo colleagues who- 00:08:46.290 --> 00:08:50.320 - Just, I know that this is not on the agenda right now, 00:08:50.321 --> 00:08:57.200 but just to make sure, so far we had Alan planned to talk about the VP4 00:08:57.201 --> 00:09:04.280 on the 19th, and I think we either have to cross it out 00:09:04.281 --> 00:09:08.800 or we have to change it to the 20th, right, Alan? 00:09:08.801 --> 00:09:10.360 - Yeah, that was what I was gonna say. 00:09:10.361 --> 00:09:11.840 - Yeah, perfect. 00:09:11.841 --> 00:09:15.520 - Just the agenda, so any contributions I need to make are on the 20th. 00:09:15.521 --> 00:09:16.521 - Okay. 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:36.917 - Okay, have you time to read what I 00:09:36.918 --> 00:09:40.080 sent about this part of the project? 00:09:41.280 --> 00:09:46.760 What I have, because we have one part that was geo-information, 00:09:47.610 --> 00:09:57.040 and we say that we will have some, some list, let's see the, 00:09:57.041 --> 00:10:00.480 a protocol for searching reliable sources of information, 00:10:00.481 --> 00:10:03.360 elaborate a list of reliable sources, 00:10:03.361 --> 00:10:07.640 and develop an AI system for searching reliable sources. 00:10:07.690 --> 00:10:12.640 Then it was for Kent, but Luke told me that perhaps 00:10:12.790 --> 00:10:16.400 if I know someone to help us with this, 00:10:16.401 --> 00:10:20.400 Carlos Guayard from Zaragoza has been helping me with this, 00:10:20.401 --> 00:10:27.520 and we make a skill for CLAUDE, CLAUDE, artificial intelligence. 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:35.120 All the things we did is the document I sent you. 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.840 What I did from your side is to give me, 00:10:38.841 --> 00:10:42.880 to review the document and think if something, 00:10:42.881 --> 00:10:47.560 if any protocol for searching reliable sources can be added. 00:10:47.561 --> 00:10:48.760 See this document? 00:10:48.761 --> 00:10:51.960 - You mean document, yeah, 2.5, that's what you mean? 00:10:52.760 --> 00:10:53.640 - Yes. 00:10:53.641 --> 00:10:59.321 - Yeah, okay, also there I have been adding things, or IDs. 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:01.560 - You have been adding things. 00:11:01.561 --> 00:11:02.400 - Yeah. 00:11:02.401 --> 00:11:03.240 - Okay, send to me. 00:11:03.241 --> 00:11:05.280 - Because I know this document, no, it's online, 00:11:05.281 --> 00:11:08.620 because document, Michela started with it, then Alan 00:11:08.621 --> 00:11:10.920 added something, and now I added something else, 00:11:10.921 --> 00:11:13.760 and I made it with a kind of an index structure. 00:11:13.761 --> 00:11:16.520 - Can you share the screen and see where is the document? 00:11:16.620 --> 00:11:19.120 Because I don't see it. - It's the one online, 2.5. 00:11:19.121 --> 00:11:23.916 - We are speaking, 2.5, because it is not 2. 00:11:23.917 --> 00:11:26.560 5, it's 2.2, 2.3.2, and 3.3. 00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:31.400 - I'm again, wait, wait, wait, you're correct. 00:11:31.401 --> 00:11:34.040 - I can't show you the document. 00:11:34.041 --> 00:11:35.440 - Which one is it now again? 00:11:35.441 --> 00:11:37.520 - I will show you. 00:11:37.521 --> 00:11:42.040 - Yeah, 2.2, set up, no, not this one. 00:11:49.400 --> 00:11:52.641 Oh no, I'm talking about 3. 00:11:52.642 --> 00:11:57.240 1, sorry, it's something else, 3.1, yeah, there's something else. 00:11:57.241 --> 00:11:58.080 No, sorry. 00:11:58.081 --> 00:12:00.520 - 3.1, I emailed you, I think I emailed you, 00:12:00.521 --> 00:12:03.143 I have an upload in Moodle, I will 00:12:03.144 --> 00:12:07.560 do that, and I will share the screen. 00:12:07.561 --> 00:12:10.800 - I would say it makes sense to share it, 00:12:10.801 --> 00:12:13.040 to have a shared document, so that we can- 00:12:13.041 --> 00:12:15.600 - To see if we are speaking out the same thing. 00:12:15.601 --> 00:12:18.440 Can you see? 00:12:18.990 --> 00:12:21.080 - Not yet, it will come. 00:12:21.081 --> 00:12:22.081 - Okay. 00:12:23.170 --> 00:12:26.920 This is a catalog of reliable data sources. 00:12:26.921 --> 00:12:33.400 This catalog is to have the reliable data source for the information. 00:12:33.700 --> 00:12:37.960 I work in Spanish, but I have translated into English 00:12:37.961 --> 00:12:41.200 with the same artificial intelligence. 00:12:41.201 --> 00:12:43.800 You see that it was done in Zaragoza, 00:12:43.801 --> 00:12:47.560 was my colleague who presented this the other day for us. 00:12:47.561 --> 00:12:53.440 These are the criteria applied for reliable, you can add anything here. 00:12:53.441 --> 00:12:55.960 I will upload in Moodle and put another, 00:12:55.961 --> 00:13:00.120 if I say here, version one, you put version two 00:13:00.121 --> 00:13:03.440 or your name, something that I see, version two, version three, 00:13:03.890 --> 00:13:06.381 or work in this, because you know that 00:13:06.382 --> 00:13:08.720 in Moodle you cannot share a document. 00:13:08.770 --> 00:13:11.760 And this is the summary of the catalog. 00:13:11.761 --> 00:13:16.640 It has been 24 categories, and I think it has been very complete. 00:13:16.641 --> 00:13:21.640 At the end, it has more than nearly 600 links, 00:13:21.800 --> 00:13:26.800 data sources, more of them very reliable. 00:13:26.801 --> 00:13:32.640 The most sources for the world are here, 00:13:32.740 --> 00:13:39.601 but perhaps I found one yesterday that isn't here, I will add. 00:13:39.865 --> 00:13:43.360 I need something from your country, 00:13:43.410 --> 00:13:46.480 from Spain, for example, we have all of this. 00:13:47.055 --> 00:13:52.360 - So in fact, you want each country to add data from their own country. 00:13:52.760 --> 00:13:54.600 Yeah, okay. 00:13:54.601 --> 00:13:57.624 - Not here, but give me, because I will 00:13:57.625 --> 00:14:01.400 put on the cloud and it will put like this. 00:14:01.425 --> 00:14:03.880 It doesn't matter if they are not in order. 00:14:05.180 --> 00:14:07.160 The main thing is to put the name. 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:10.320 If you put the name, for example, you have many works. 00:14:10.370 --> 00:14:13.560 I was, the last three years, 00:14:13.610 --> 00:14:18.560 I was collecting which sources were using my students. 00:14:18.760 --> 00:14:25.680 Then I put them very untidy and cloud can put in the proper way. 00:14:25.730 --> 00:14:27.480 Don't waste time on this. 00:14:27.580 --> 00:14:32.600 Waste time on collect the sources, 00:14:32.601 --> 00:14:36.800 but not on put them tidy because this will do, 00:14:36.801 --> 00:14:38.099 and if we see something that is this 00:14:38.100 --> 00:14:43.840 wrong, it will be, it also try the URL, 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:51.880 because it didn't, but I saw that one URL doesn't work 00:14:51.881 --> 00:14:55.280 because I knew that it was a type this web page, 00:14:55.281 --> 00:15:00.280 and I told to them, this work can be done automatically. 00:15:00.930 --> 00:15:04.080 But I tried to put automatically your country, 00:15:04.081 --> 00:15:08.480 but it doesn't reply me with many things. 00:15:08.481 --> 00:15:11.800 It put some things from different country. 00:15:11.801 --> 00:15:16.800 You see, it has been done under different names. 00:15:16.801 --> 00:15:22.600 If you prefer to add any other chapter or whatever, 00:15:22.601 --> 00:15:25.680 you can have a look and you can see very quickly, 00:15:25.681 --> 00:15:32.120 although it has many pages, but those pages has been checked. 00:15:32.121 --> 00:15:35.040 Then this is European Union. 00:15:35.041 --> 00:15:40.161 - And this list will be on the website searchable or something? 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.280 - For the moment, we will not put on the website 00:15:44.281 --> 00:15:47.280 because it isn't, we are working on this list, 00:15:47.281 --> 00:15:49.280 but at the end, we can put on the website. 00:15:49.281 --> 00:15:51.024 Of course, this will be something 00:15:51.025 --> 00:15:56.600 related, the some results of the project. 00:15:56.601 --> 00:16:01.640 This is one of the, this comes from more than one result. 00:16:01.641 --> 00:16:04.840 You hear, it gave me from many countries. 00:16:04.841 --> 00:16:06.520 I didn't ask for countries. 00:16:06.521 --> 00:16:09.920 I wanted just Belgium. 00:16:09.921 --> 00:16:10.840 It is not Belgium. 00:16:10.841 --> 00:16:13.000 I don't know why I asked Belgium. 00:16:13.001 --> 00:16:16.998 I asked for Germany and I was asked for 00:16:16.999 --> 00:16:21.400 Romania, but I don't know why it doesn't. 00:16:21.401 --> 00:16:24.400 Perhaps you have not open many data in Spain. 00:16:24.401 --> 00:16:27.000 - Yes, we have plenty of open data. 00:16:27.001 --> 00:16:27.840 - Yeah, you have plenty. 00:16:27.841 --> 00:16:29.320 - We have plenty of open data. 00:16:29.321 --> 00:16:30.920 - Me also, in Spain also. 00:16:30.921 --> 00:16:34.680 - But most of them, like for the Flemish government, 00:16:34.681 --> 00:16:39.400 all these data are open access due to the Inspire Directive, 00:16:39.401 --> 00:16:41.525 but to access them, you need to have an 00:16:41.526 --> 00:16:45.720 identification as an inhabitant of Flanders. 00:16:45.721 --> 00:16:46.560 - I see. 00:16:46.561 --> 00:16:48.320 - So you need to, you have kind of system 00:16:48.321 --> 00:16:49.600 that you have to identify yourself. 00:16:49.601 --> 00:16:51.080 You need to meet kind of an app. 00:16:51.081 --> 00:16:51.920 - Then are open only for Flanders. 00:16:51.921 --> 00:16:52.760 - Then we can see. 00:16:52.761 --> 00:16:57.200 So we'll have to see how we can get, overrule this possibility. 00:16:58.900 --> 00:17:00.880 - For the reason it is not here 00:17:00.881 --> 00:17:03.440 because our data are open for all the world. 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:06.200 - I think that's the main problem, I think. 00:17:06.201 --> 00:17:07.400 - I think. 00:17:07.401 --> 00:17:09.160 - In any case, you can try. 00:17:09.535 --> 00:17:11.920 I can give you the skill. 00:17:11.921 --> 00:17:15.520 If you have, if you will plan it, I can give you the skill 00:17:15.521 --> 00:17:19.320 and you can try to put this on your skill, as a skill. 00:17:19.321 --> 00:17:22.160 - You will upload this on the Moodle platform? 00:17:22.161 --> 00:17:23.480 In which page? 00:17:23.481 --> 00:17:24.880 - No, not for the moment. 00:17:24.881 --> 00:17:28.760 I wanted to show you before upload. 00:17:28.761 --> 00:17:30.396 - Okay, but then you should put us 00:17:30.397 --> 00:17:32.480 somewhere on a document that we can edit it 00:17:32.481 --> 00:17:34.760 because if we all have, or yeah, give us the templates. 00:17:34.761 --> 00:17:36.520 - But you don't need to edit here 00:17:36.521 --> 00:17:40.680 because it will be given by the Cloud. 00:17:41.280 --> 00:17:44.760 What I want is a list apart this, 00:17:44.761 --> 00:17:47.959 and I will say, "Cloudy, put this list here. 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.800 " And this will put like this. 00:17:50.801 --> 00:17:53.120 It will check the availability. 00:17:53.145 --> 00:17:59.720 It will check the, this is the... - The relevancy of the content. 00:17:59.721 --> 00:18:02.240 - The quality of the data and so on. 00:18:02.890 --> 00:18:05.840 - Okay, good. - Quality of the source and so on. 00:18:05.841 --> 00:18:10.600 And I don't need to put things inside this document. 00:18:10.601 --> 00:18:14.640 Of course, you can do that if you want, but I don't need this. 00:18:14.641 --> 00:18:18.560 What I need is to have if any critical for this. 00:18:18.585 --> 00:18:22.560 For example, if you think that we need another 00:18:22.760 --> 00:18:26.640 to qualify reliability criteria, 00:18:26.641 --> 00:18:28.800 and you think that there is another 00:18:28.801 --> 00:18:31.240 criteria important, we can put here. 00:18:31.241 --> 00:18:35.960 Remember that we began a very complicated catalog at the beginning. 00:18:36.810 --> 00:18:40.240 And at the end, we have simplified like this. 00:18:40.241 --> 00:18:43.800 But because it was many things that we put in a list, 00:18:43.801 --> 00:18:48.800 and at the end, what we say is that the own source 00:18:48.801 --> 00:18:54.560 has his own ways to show their quality, 00:18:54.561 --> 00:18:59.560 and some sources has quality in itself. 00:18:59.561 --> 00:19:06.080 Then this is something that we can... Okay, translation. 00:19:06.081 --> 00:19:09.760 - Okay, sorry, as much I'll have to go and teach now very quickly, 00:19:09.761 --> 00:19:11.266 and then I'll try to join as quickly 00:19:11.267 --> 00:19:12.840 as possible back to the meeting, okay? 00:19:12.841 --> 00:19:13.680 - Okay, okay. 00:19:13.681 --> 00:19:14.880 I will upload this. 00:19:15.080 --> 00:19:18.440 For example, he gave me a list. 00:19:18.441 --> 00:19:22.320 I can show you the list I gave to elaborate this, 00:19:22.321 --> 00:19:26.080 to demonstrate you that you don't need a very ordered list. 00:19:26.081 --> 00:19:26.960 Okay? 00:19:26.961 --> 00:19:28.480 It can be untidy. 00:19:28.481 --> 00:19:31.560 I hope that from Spain, we can do that. 00:19:31.561 --> 00:19:35.080 If not, I can do that when we go to Kiel, 00:19:35.081 --> 00:19:40.000 because, but clouding thing is based on my computer. 00:19:40.001 --> 00:19:45.160 I don't know how it works, because it's something new for all of us. 00:19:45.161 --> 00:19:50.160 But in any case, I will show you how was my... 00:19:50.910 --> 00:19:52.160 What's here? 00:19:53.410 --> 00:19:55.080 This is all the work Carlos did. 00:19:55.081 --> 00:19:57.800 Was the other day he present us. 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:03.040 And let's see. 00:20:12.990 --> 00:20:15.040 This is my list. 00:20:15.041 --> 00:20:17.720 I had a PowerPoint that I usually put. 00:20:17.721 --> 00:20:20.200 This is completely untidy. 00:20:20.201 --> 00:20:23.960 And see the last also, this is some of them. 00:20:23.961 --> 00:20:25.040 This is the last. 00:20:25.041 --> 00:20:28.160 I copy and paste here from the many years of my students. 00:20:28.161 --> 00:20:29.600 I have this in an Excel file. 00:20:29.601 --> 00:20:31.280 I put them here. 00:20:31.281 --> 00:20:34.120 And from this, he could... 00:20:34.520 --> 00:20:38.200 The artificial intelligence can recover 00:20:38.201 --> 00:20:40.520 all the information that we need. 00:20:40.521 --> 00:20:44.880 Then the only thing is to have our mind very clear, 00:20:44.905 --> 00:20:47.560 because artificial intelligence will do the work. 00:20:47.561 --> 00:20:51.320 Of course, we need to check all of the... 00:20:51.321 --> 00:20:57.360 But if you check most of the... We know that most of them. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:02.640 We did something geographical, geoinformation in general, 00:21:02.641 --> 00:21:08.920 because if you make a search, because we need to make... Let's see. 00:21:10.020 --> 00:21:10.800 Yeah. 00:21:10.801 --> 00:21:21.160 A protocol has been in this point, as I told you, is this point. 00:21:21.210 --> 00:21:26.160 The point, the protocol is this chapter. 00:21:27.085 --> 00:21:30.960 The protocol for reliable is the chapter two. 00:21:30.961 --> 00:21:37.000 This is the protocol to look for reliable sources. 00:21:39.750 --> 00:21:41.040 This is the protocol. 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:49.200 I have too many things. 00:21:50.600 --> 00:21:52.360 The protocol is this chapter. 00:21:52.361 --> 00:21:54.560 Is this chapter. 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:58.467 And the list of reliable sources is this 00:21:58.468 --> 00:22:01.400 document that, of course, we will upload. 00:22:01.401 --> 00:22:05.966 We haven't do... These are geoinformation 00:22:05.967 --> 00:22:08.720 sources, but many of them can be related 00:22:08.721 --> 00:22:12.239 to climate change and mitigation options, because if you. 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.520 .. 00:22:13.521 --> 00:22:16.400 The idea is to have a skill. 00:22:16.401 --> 00:22:20.680 For the moment, we are working on CloudAid 00:22:20.681 --> 00:22:24.760 to have an AI assistant for searching reliable sources. 00:22:24.761 --> 00:22:30.960 The thing is that really, you need to give the AI the reliable sources. 00:22:30.961 --> 00:22:32.720 What do you consider reliable sources? 00:22:32.721 --> 00:22:35.800 This is at the beginning of the document. 00:22:35.801 --> 00:22:39.120 What do you consider reliable sources? 00:22:39.121 --> 00:22:44.760 Okay, and I don't know how to develop this AI assistant for the moment. 00:22:44.761 --> 00:22:47.440 We have the list and we have the skill. 00:22:47.441 --> 00:22:52.440 The skill is some orders that you give 00:22:52.441 --> 00:22:58.080 to the artificial intelligence to search, 00:22:58.081 --> 00:23:01.560 to say you if your searching is reliable or not. 00:23:01.635 --> 00:23:02.880 Okay? 00:23:02.881 --> 00:23:06.000 This document is that, more or less is that. 00:23:06.001 --> 00:23:09.080 You need three or four documents, different documents. 00:23:09.081 --> 00:23:13.080 I will show you how to do that. 00:23:13.081 --> 00:23:15.720 I will show you how to do that in CloudAid. 00:23:15.721 --> 00:23:18.280 In chatGPT is very similar, okay? 00:23:18.281 --> 00:23:22.400 And as they are, and we can use also Copilot or anything, 00:23:22.401 --> 00:23:26.760 we can say to change a skill from one AI to another. 00:23:27.610 --> 00:23:32.680 And this is something that we will see in an online. 00:23:32.681 --> 00:23:38.000 I have done a story map that I will show you in... 00:23:38.001 --> 00:23:41.027 I did a story map mainly for secondary 00:23:41.028 --> 00:23:43.200 education and for training teachers. 00:23:43.201 --> 00:23:47.440 For training primary teacher is the same because from my point of view, 00:23:47.441 --> 00:23:50.160 primary teachers needs to know many things. 00:23:50.161 --> 00:23:53.120 At the end, they adapt this to their primary students. 00:23:53.121 --> 00:23:58.120 But at Unet, I have been talking with education faculty 00:23:58.345 --> 00:24:00.760 and they told me that more or less, 00:24:00.885 --> 00:24:05.760 this kind of information for the teachers is very useful. 00:24:06.010 --> 00:24:12.360 At the end, they do little things with little children. 00:24:12.361 --> 00:24:13.960 Okay? 00:24:13.961 --> 00:24:18.960 Then see if for Kiel, if we can finish also this one. 00:24:19.610 --> 00:24:24.520 If you give me the information from your countries, 00:24:24.521 --> 00:24:29.080 I can make the last version of all of these things. 00:24:29.081 --> 00:24:35.200 One, two, and three, and I can finish and give you for consensus. 00:24:35.250 --> 00:24:38.320 Of course, you can add everything you think is important. 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:44.400 This is a challenge to work with artificial intelligence. 00:24:44.500 --> 00:24:49.800 I am very grateful for Carlos Guayard who helped me a lot on this. 00:24:49.801 --> 00:24:53.240 And it has been nearly finished, I think. 00:24:53.241 --> 00:24:55.880 Only I have very clear now what to do. 00:24:55.881 --> 00:25:00.840 And the only thing I need from you is your Alan Deeds for Britain. 00:25:00.841 --> 00:25:02.680 But if you want to do for Austria, 00:25:02.681 --> 00:25:05.200 if you think it's useful for Austria, 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.880 and for Belgium, it will be done by Luke. 00:25:11.930 --> 00:25:15.440 For Germany, can be done for both of you. 00:25:15.441 --> 00:25:18.800 It doesn't matter if you, because they don't repeat. 00:25:18.801 --> 00:25:24.040 The skills say that if there is two the same, they remove. 00:25:24.090 --> 00:25:27.200 Then there is no problem for that, okay? 00:25:27.201 --> 00:25:30.600 You give a list, as you have the list, 00:25:30.601 --> 00:25:34.760 you can take the list, and we can work on this. 00:25:34.761 --> 00:25:37.600 Okay, of course, yours will be in Germany. 00:25:37.601 --> 00:25:40.480 What I say, because we work in Spanish, 00:25:40.481 --> 00:25:45.480 what I say is to keep the URL in the original language. 00:25:45.481 --> 00:25:48.520 If you're- - Ana Luisa. 00:25:48.521 --> 00:25:49.360 - Yes. 00:25:49.361 --> 00:25:54.360 - I just tried to find a document where we can collect it. 00:25:54.460 --> 00:25:57.920 So are you still talking about everybody sending things 00:25:57.921 --> 00:26:01.480 to you without seeing what the others have already sent? 00:26:01.481 --> 00:26:02.480 Or is there a document? 00:26:02.481 --> 00:26:03.941 Because I went just to Moodle and 00:26:03.942 --> 00:26:06.040 tried to find it, but there is no 3.1. 00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:08.680 - No, no, I emailed with the document to you. 00:26:08.681 --> 00:26:10.920 I emailed with the document, but if you want, 00:26:10.921 --> 00:26:15.280 I can upload just where I can upload. 00:26:15.281 --> 00:26:16.120 Let's see what place. 00:26:16.121 --> 00:26:19.400 - It would be good to have it on Google Drive would be good. 00:26:19.401 --> 00:26:21.960 - I don't want to add things on the document. 00:26:21.961 --> 00:26:24.264 I want you to see the document and to 00:26:24.265 --> 00:26:27.320 think what to add or what not to add, okay? 00:26:27.321 --> 00:26:32.000 But I will add just now here, for example. 00:26:34.280 --> 00:26:37.480 Let's see if I am able to add here. 00:26:37.530 --> 00:26:42.360 I am not sure if I can add here because we have not a folder here. 00:26:42.361 --> 00:26:43.361 Let's see. 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.640 Okay, I will up here and put in. 00:26:51.390 --> 00:26:54.280 I haven't upload because I wanted to explain you. 00:26:54.281 --> 00:27:01.040 It is clear enough what do you, what it is expected from you? 00:27:01.041 --> 00:27:04.639 Because if you see this document with so many things, you can. 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:05.081 .. 00:27:05.570 --> 00:27:08.907 At the beginning, it would be easier for me 00:27:08.908 --> 00:27:12.440 to understand if I could have a look at it. 00:27:12.441 --> 00:27:14.160 Yes, we will. 00:27:14.161 --> 00:27:17.680 How can we say this document for example? 00:27:17.681 --> 00:27:20.440 This, we can put like this. 00:27:20.441 --> 00:27:22.720 - I think we're going to just add things from our own country. 00:27:22.721 --> 00:27:23.720 So it doesn't matter what. 00:27:23.721 --> 00:27:26.480 - Yes, but where and to what I have, 00:27:26.481 --> 00:27:28.696 I don't have a list and I don't know in 00:27:28.697 --> 00:27:31.400 which way to add it where that's the problem. 00:27:31.401 --> 00:27:32.600 - I just don't know. 00:27:32.601 --> 00:27:34.080 - Absolutely. 00:27:34.081 --> 00:27:34.920 - I just can't. 00:27:35.070 --> 00:27:35.760 - How did you? 00:27:35.761 --> 00:27:37.360 - Ask to Copilot, 00:27:37.361 --> 00:27:40.592 give me a list about Austrian reliable 00:27:40.593 --> 00:27:45.160 sources for this and it can be done. 00:27:45.161 --> 00:27:47.240 I haven't done because I really, 00:27:47.241 --> 00:27:50.680 for me your sources are not significant. 00:27:51.280 --> 00:27:52.760 Because I don't know. 00:27:52.761 --> 00:27:55.880 - And AI creates so much stupid things. 00:27:55.881 --> 00:27:58.680 I wouldn't really... - No, no, for example, 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:05.040 your country should have, because all European countries has the... 00:28:05.041 --> 00:28:06.240 - I know these things. 00:28:06.241 --> 00:28:09.800 - Infrastructure of data, of geographical data. 00:28:09.801 --> 00:28:11.851 - Maria Luisa, I don't need to ask AI 00:28:11.852 --> 00:28:14.320 for this because I know the sources. 00:28:14.321 --> 00:28:15.720 - Okay, perfect. 00:28:15.721 --> 00:28:20.000 - I just would want to add them in a document 00:28:20.001 --> 00:28:22.760 where I see what's already there and I don't have this document. 00:28:22.761 --> 00:28:25.720 - You can give me any word document. 00:28:25.721 --> 00:28:26.721 I put all together 00:28:26.760 --> 00:28:31.760 and the artificial intelligence will put in the proper place. 00:28:31.761 --> 00:28:33.840 - I'll send you my email. 00:28:33.841 --> 00:28:34.680 - It's impressive. 00:28:34.681 --> 00:28:39.720 We have been very impressive with this work because I didn't, 00:28:39.721 --> 00:28:44.720 we began and we didn't thought about this result. 00:28:44.895 --> 00:28:48.720 It's very impressive from my point of view. 00:28:48.721 --> 00:28:50.640 I don't know what do you think, but... 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:58.280 And at the end, if you have the way to work is the most difficult thing 00:28:58.281 --> 00:29:01.880 was to organize the method to do this. 00:29:01.881 --> 00:29:05.960 But at the end, let's see if I can emoji. 00:29:05.961 --> 00:29:10.200 - But I think Ellen made a good, a very good 00:29:10.201 --> 00:29:13.400 hint just a minute ago because I think Ellen, 00:29:13.401 --> 00:29:18.400 you offered to send around yours or something or the task. 00:29:18.401 --> 00:29:22.520 - I'm just saying mine. 00:29:22.521 --> 00:29:27.520 It's a list of sources, which I created myself from my own brain 00:29:28.370 --> 00:29:33.040 and knowledge of what sort of data is available 00:29:33.215 --> 00:29:36.360 for different aspects of geography related to climate change. 00:29:36.361 --> 00:29:42.040 So we need data about soil, about water, about infrastructure, 00:29:42.690 --> 00:29:47.120 general data from the government, statistical data from the government, 00:29:47.121 --> 00:29:49.443 but also agencies like the Ordnance 00:29:49.444 --> 00:29:52.000 Survey, mapping and then the Crown Estate 00:29:52.001 --> 00:29:55.320 and different landowners who might have management plans, 00:29:55.495 --> 00:29:56.495 which they're sharing. 00:29:56.980 --> 00:30:01.480 Used a few Google searches and followed some links 00:30:01.481 --> 00:30:06.480 and put together a reasonable set of data for the UK. 00:30:06.481 --> 00:30:12.280 Obviously within some countries that might be state level data as well. 00:30:12.281 --> 00:30:14.440 So I gave some examples of cities, 00:30:14.441 --> 00:30:17.160 but I didn't say give every city in the UK. 00:30:17.161 --> 00:30:19.000 I just gave some examples. 00:30:19.001 --> 00:30:21.440 The AI may then be able to chase up. 00:30:22.450 --> 00:30:24.200 The other cities examples, 00:30:24.201 --> 00:30:28.840 the issue being that not all the URLs are available easily 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.560 and they're also subject to change. 00:30:33.285 --> 00:30:34.810 So I made sure that all the data 00:30:34.811 --> 00:30:39.360 sources I used were valid and accurate. 00:30:39.361 --> 00:30:43.240 - I used to give a list to my students since a long time ago. 00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:47.261 It was a big work to collect all these 00:30:47.262 --> 00:30:50.720 lists and to update all the URLs. 00:30:50.721 --> 00:30:55.720 And here is very quickly to put all in order. 00:30:55.721 --> 00:30:58.560 Okay, here you have, elaborate the list, okay? 00:31:00.010 --> 00:31:04.280 You can download the document just now and don't forget where it is. 00:31:04.355 --> 00:31:06.040 - What number? 00:31:07.190 --> 00:31:09.400 3.2, okay. 00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:14.400 - Ah, 3.2 here in Work Package 3, 3.2. 00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.400 The main thing is to see if the reliable criteria 00:31:18.401 --> 00:31:23.400 are okay for you and you can add anything or tell anything. 00:31:23.401 --> 00:31:33.200 And you can also, I will add all your list when I have all together. 00:31:33.201 --> 00:31:37.080 If you give me before this weekend, 00:31:37.081 --> 00:31:40.212 because I will see Carlos face to face on a 00:31:40.262 --> 00:31:43.360 conference that we will not present emoji. 00:31:43.361 --> 00:31:49.120 And we can do together because he's more expert on this than me. 00:31:49.170 --> 00:31:53.720 Then I will try with Alan, I have another, 00:31:53.721 --> 00:32:00.720 I find another URL that was not inside the document and I will do that. 00:32:00.721 --> 00:32:03.320 If you give me in these days, if not, doesn't matter 00:32:03.321 --> 00:32:06.200 because I will learn and do on myself 00:32:06.201 --> 00:32:08.600 and I will show you how to do this, okay? 00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:14.400 Because it is very interesting from my point of view at least, okay? 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:23.640 I wanted to show you because I think it's quite a quick way to do that. 00:32:23.641 --> 00:32:28.640 I don't know how to develop this AI assistant for searchers. 00:32:28.690 --> 00:32:33.440 This is how the skill can be the AI assistant, 00:32:33.441 --> 00:32:38.440 but we will explain a bit more for the results how, 00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:42.240 but I think that all of this have been done 00:32:42.241 --> 00:32:45.400 with this document, more or less replies to these things. 00:32:45.401 --> 00:32:48.640 But any question, it will be very, 00:32:48.641 --> 00:32:53.000 I will be very happy to have any feedback 00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:56.040 because you always give very good feedback, okay? 00:32:57.540 --> 00:32:59.960 Any other question about this part? 00:33:01.760 --> 00:33:06.440 - I just want, Maria Luisa, just one little thing. 00:33:06.740 --> 00:33:12.360 At A35, there is, I understand the first sentence 00:33:15.120 --> 00:33:17.840 in reference to what you just said 00:33:17.841 --> 00:33:21.400 about the reliable sources and so on, 00:33:21.401 --> 00:33:25.000 and best practices to integrate AI, okay. 00:33:25.001 --> 00:33:31.000 But then the last bit, and lesson plans done presentations. 00:33:31.050 --> 00:33:34.459 Here is already some- - This is after we have 00:33:34.509 --> 00:33:39.400 the previous things, we have a consensus, 00:33:39.401 --> 00:33:44.000 but a consensus can be what we elaborate reliable sources 00:33:44.001 --> 00:33:47.280 and we have now here some indicators. 00:33:47.281 --> 00:33:51.000 If we agree of this, we have a consensus on this, for example. 00:33:51.001 --> 00:33:53.840 - Okay, I understand, but the second part. 00:33:53.841 --> 00:33:55.040 - If we see best practice to integrate 00:33:55.041 --> 00:33:57.880 artificial intelligence, I have a story map. 00:33:57.881 --> 00:34:01.294 - But the last part, I don't understand, and lesson plans. 00:34:01.295 --> 00:34:02.320 - Lesson plan. 00:34:02.321 --> 00:34:03.160 - I don't understand. 00:34:03.161 --> 00:34:05.240 - I think this was on the, 00:34:05.241 --> 00:34:08.520 because in the lesson plans that we will done 00:34:08.521 --> 00:34:12.400 as presentations, the story maps of each lesson plans 00:34:12.401 --> 00:34:16.560 probably will use artificial intelligence in any place. 00:34:16.561 --> 00:34:20.040 Then we need to consensus to discuss and so on, 00:34:20.041 --> 00:34:24.280 because there are so many things now in teaching 00:34:24.281 --> 00:34:29.280 and learning that it is something that we should see. 00:34:29.281 --> 00:34:34.760 If we say in lesson plans, we will done use artificial intelligence. 00:34:34.761 --> 00:34:36.760 We can agree that also. 00:34:36.761 --> 00:34:39.560 This is something that we need to discuss in the future. 00:34:39.561 --> 00:34:40.560 - Okay. - Okay. 00:34:40.561 --> 00:34:44.080 - But it's not about-- I put here for KL, 00:34:44.081 --> 00:34:49.080 but perhaps lesson plan will not be enough done for KL. 00:34:49.081 --> 00:34:53.360 But it's something that come from this then, okay? 00:34:53.361 --> 00:34:56.360 - Okay, now Dani is raising her hand. 00:34:56.361 --> 00:34:57.600 - Yes, Dani. 00:34:57.850 --> 00:35:01.680 - I'm listening now since several minutes 00:35:01.681 --> 00:35:04.671 about what you did say on all these 00:35:04.672 --> 00:35:07.400 geoinformation and availability and all that. 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.240 I'm happy to provide things that are available 00:35:13.241 --> 00:35:18.360 for primary school ones in Germany, but just to give you an idea, 00:35:18.361 --> 00:35:21.440 in primary school we are talking about the old neighborhood. 00:35:21.441 --> 00:35:24.320 We are talking about the city that we are living in. 00:35:24.321 --> 00:35:29.040 So we might have like, okay, access to things like Google 00:35:29.041 --> 00:35:32.960 and you might have also some data aerial pictures 00:35:32.961 --> 00:35:35.600 or something that you might get for your region. 00:35:35.601 --> 00:35:39.760 But we are really talking about a very, very small scale. 00:35:39.810 --> 00:35:42.499 So, I mean, it's nice that there's lots of 00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:44.720 data online available, free, accessible, 00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:47.240 but honestly that doesn't fit the target 00:35:47.241 --> 00:35:49.280 that we are teaching in primary school. 00:35:49.281 --> 00:35:50.960 We are not talking about these issues. 00:35:50.961 --> 00:35:53.165 We are not dealing with all the big 00:35:53.166 --> 00:35:55.400 data that might be available somewhere. 00:35:55.450 --> 00:36:00.400 So when it comes to providing lists for teachers, 00:36:00.401 --> 00:36:06.440 we probably should divide them in for the different age groups 00:36:06.441 --> 00:36:09.240 because otherwise a primary school teacher 00:36:09.241 --> 00:36:11.440 might get the idea that they have to handle now 00:36:11.441 --> 00:36:15.560 all these ArcGIS, blah, blah, whatever, 00:36:15.561 --> 00:36:19.440 online statistic data, which they definitely don't. 00:36:19.441 --> 00:36:21.600 We are talking about children that learn mathematics, 00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:24.800 counting and learn reading and writing and talking. 00:36:24.801 --> 00:36:27.320 So, and even in year four, 00:36:27.321 --> 00:36:30.310 they are not really dealing with the big 00:36:30.311 --> 00:36:33.320 climber, whatever data that is available. 00:36:33.321 --> 00:36:37.240 - This is a problem for the teacher to adapt to the kids, 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.760 but perhaps the town council has many data for schools. 00:36:40.761 --> 00:36:44.640 Some town councils has data for schools. 00:36:44.641 --> 00:36:47.360 - Yeah, they have- - You can have a list of town councils 00:36:47.560 --> 00:36:49.160 that have data for school. 00:36:49.161 --> 00:36:55.320 I remember the Orden and Sarbay that has many data adapted to schools, 00:36:55.321 --> 00:36:59.400 the same data adapted to schools, for example. 00:36:59.401 --> 00:37:02.880 - Yeah, but Maria Luisa, not be misunderstood. 00:37:02.881 --> 00:37:05.960 We are talking about local neighbourhood. 00:37:05.961 --> 00:37:07.880 - Yes, I understand local neighbourhood. 00:37:07.881 --> 00:37:09.880 - Information that you find on the internet. 00:37:09.881 --> 00:37:13.760 Yes, we have an online Atlas for primary schools. 00:37:13.761 --> 00:37:18.520 Yes, we have some materials that is published by whatever, 00:37:18.521 --> 00:37:21.080 different federal states, there are lists like this. 00:37:21.081 --> 00:37:23.080 I just want to make sure that in the end, 00:37:23.081 --> 00:37:26.200 it is not mixed up with the list that is, 00:37:26.201 --> 00:37:28.640 can be also applied for teacher training 00:37:28.690 --> 00:37:30.320 for teachers in secondary schools, 00:37:30.321 --> 00:37:33.000 because we are talking about really different topic. 00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:35.840 - Yes, but many of these data 00:37:35.841 --> 00:37:38.320 allowed you to work on your neighbourhood. 00:37:38.321 --> 00:37:42.040 You can compare your neighbourhood with some general data. 00:37:42.041 --> 00:37:43.920 You say my neighbourhood is like this, 00:37:43.921 --> 00:37:46.360 but the general data are like this, 00:37:46.361 --> 00:37:48.960 then my neighbourhood is not the same. 00:37:48.961 --> 00:37:52.960 Sometimes you can do this kind of comparison. 00:37:52.961 --> 00:37:57.960 I know that little, it go more to their neighbourhoods, 00:37:57.961 --> 00:38:01.720 but sometimes they only hear about the wall. 00:38:01.721 --> 00:38:03.800 - What is the interesting point with all the data 00:38:03.801 --> 00:38:06.938 that we have listed up so far for our primary 00:38:06.939 --> 00:38:09.080 school children and the teachers in primary school? 00:38:09.081 --> 00:38:12.080 What's the point in having all this information? 00:38:12.130 --> 00:38:19.753 - This information is not for children, but for primary 00:38:19.754 --> 00:38:28.160 teachers, yes, they need to have his mind critical 00:38:28.161 --> 00:38:32.680 to see how their neighbourhood is pointing in the world, 00:38:32.730 --> 00:38:37.680 because I think this is important in our, 00:38:37.930 --> 00:38:42.520 my colleagues who works with primary school teachers 00:38:42.521 --> 00:38:46.470 use probably points on the maps with data and in 00:38:46.471 --> 00:38:50.120 the neighbourhoods, see then a road from the school, 00:38:50.170 --> 00:38:53.760 from their house or something like this, more simple, 00:38:53.810 --> 00:38:56.801 but at the end, you need data and you 00:38:56.826 --> 00:39:00.200 need data, or you can take the data 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.000 or you can have a map behind this. 00:39:05.850 --> 00:39:10.440 Then it's more limited because the necessity of them, 00:39:10.441 --> 00:39:15.440 but I think that perhaps because all my colleagues 00:39:15.441 --> 00:39:24.480 who teach primary schools comes from, they are very aware of data. 00:39:24.481 --> 00:39:27.160 They like to have reliable data. 00:39:27.161 --> 00:39:30.295 And also for climate change, you see that all our 00:39:30.296 --> 00:39:33.000 neighbourhoods says that there is a climate change. 00:39:33.050 --> 00:39:36.400 How do you explain the climate change in your neighbourhood? 00:39:36.401 --> 00:39:41.040 - For sure, it's not based on data, sorry to say. 00:39:41.041 --> 00:39:43.880 We are talking about children that can't even, 00:39:43.881 --> 00:39:46.240 most of them can't even count up to the 1000. 00:39:46.241 --> 00:39:47.960 So what is data? 00:39:47.961 --> 00:39:50.200 What does it- - Climate change is based on data, 00:39:50.201 --> 00:39:53.477 because if not, it will not be climate change, 00:39:53.478 --> 00:39:56.240 Dani, because if you have not climate data 00:39:56.241 --> 00:40:01.240 that says that the world is little warming, 00:40:01.290 --> 00:40:03.560 how do you know that there is climate change? 00:40:03.561 --> 00:40:06.600 Because one day it rains and the other day it's sunny. 00:40:06.601 --> 00:40:08.680 No, this is weather. 00:40:08.830 --> 00:40:12.715 - But you're misunderstanding each other 00:40:12.716 --> 00:40:15.560 now, because I understand Daniela's point 00:40:15.561 --> 00:40:19.760 that what is good for secondary schools 00:40:19.761 --> 00:40:22.000 might not be useful in primary schools 00:40:22.001 --> 00:40:24.040 because they are in another context. 00:40:24.041 --> 00:40:26.640 They learn other things, 00:40:26.641 --> 00:40:31.240 but is there any way how we can handle the problem maybe? 00:40:31.241 --> 00:40:38.200 Or Dani, what would you suggest to help you with primary school? 00:40:38.201 --> 00:40:39.840 - I don't need help. 00:40:39.841 --> 00:40:44.840 I can give you links to data in whatever 00:40:45.040 --> 00:40:49.160 that might be useful for primary school ones. 00:40:49.161 --> 00:40:52.640 We have also access to federal state data, 00:40:52.641 --> 00:40:55.360 especially provided for primary schools 00:40:55.361 --> 00:40:59.120 based on what they know in terms of level. 00:40:59.121 --> 00:41:02.400 I don't want that links appear in a list 00:41:02.550 --> 00:41:08.240 with all the other links, making the feeling like this is all the same. 00:41:08.241 --> 00:41:14.120 And primary ones, they have to look into all the big data also. 00:41:14.121 --> 00:41:16.280 And Maria Luisa, I have to say, 00:41:16.281 --> 00:41:18.320 you don't have to tell me the difference 00:41:18.321 --> 00:41:20.400 between climate change and weather. 00:41:20.401 --> 00:41:22.720 But I think the problem you are talking about 00:41:22.721 --> 00:41:25.240 is very good and very easy to integrate. 00:41:25.241 --> 00:41:31.279 Or we can simply add another list for especially for 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.320 primary schools that would be, I think, very useful. 00:41:36.120 --> 00:41:41.160 - Yeah, this is what we should divide that list 00:41:41.161 --> 00:41:44.322 into different age groups or school 00:41:44.323 --> 00:41:45.640 levels or whatever you want to call it. 00:41:45.641 --> 00:41:48.720 - This is not what we said in the application form. 00:41:48.721 --> 00:41:52.440 - That doesn't matter because if it makes sense, we just do it. 00:41:52.441 --> 00:41:58.600 - If you want after to do it with level, we can do after. 00:41:58.601 --> 00:42:00.080 This is something to do after. 00:42:00.081 --> 00:42:01.280 - Maria, Maria. 00:42:01.281 --> 00:42:06.880 - If this part in the A3, five, we can do a best practice and we say, 00:42:06.881 --> 00:42:13.120 or best practice advise us to organize this data about school levels. 00:42:13.121 --> 00:42:15.760 This is possible, but after. 00:42:15.761 --> 00:42:16.680 - Why? 00:42:16.681 --> 00:42:22.120 - You can always do better than was suggested in the proposal. 00:42:22.121 --> 00:42:26.120 If it doesn't make any sense to mix it up, why should we mix it up? 00:42:26.121 --> 00:42:28.840 - For the different age groups and one joint list. 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:30.720 - That doesn't make sense. 00:42:30.721 --> 00:42:32.760 - But we can do it with different age levels. 00:42:32.761 --> 00:42:34.880 I don't see the point why we can't have that 00:42:34.881 --> 00:42:37.800 because otherwise the big list doesn't make sense for users. 00:42:37.801 --> 00:42:38.760 Sorry. 00:42:38.761 --> 00:42:42.160 - Yes, we can have levels, of course, 00:42:42.161 --> 00:42:46.200 but after, I think that we need to organize this 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:49.600 and after we can say to put in levels. 00:42:49.601 --> 00:42:51.894 It's just one order to the artificial 00:42:51.895 --> 00:42:55.800 intelligence, but we need to put, to finish this. 00:42:56.700 --> 00:42:59.680 And after I will say if the best practice, 00:42:59.681 --> 00:43:01.551 we need to integrate this joint 00:43:01.552 --> 00:43:04.200 formation to the level, we will do that. 00:43:04.201 --> 00:43:06.240 But this is something after. 00:43:07.140 --> 00:43:08.140 - Why? 00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:13.200 - Because you here, you have not put, okay, 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.200 as pros and cons because some of them are, 00:43:17.450 --> 00:43:23.980 to not mix too many things, but if you prefer 00:43:24.030 --> 00:43:27.680 to put before, develop a nice search over it. 00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:34.720 Digital and life interactive is. 00:43:34.721 --> 00:43:43.720 - Let's postpone this and... - I can do any proof. 00:43:43.721 --> 00:43:46.920 If you want me to do any proof, I can do that. 00:43:47.370 --> 00:43:51.120 - But I think we understood the point 00:43:51.121 --> 00:43:54.080 and we can all think about it again. 00:43:54.081 --> 00:43:54.920 - Yes. 00:43:54.921 --> 00:43:58.240 - What is doable or what is not doable. 00:43:58.241 --> 00:44:01.160 - Yes, we need a very clear report. 00:44:01.161 --> 00:44:02.000 - Yes. 00:44:02.001 --> 00:44:06.240 - In case this is, we can have a second report with this information. 00:44:06.241 --> 00:44:09.560 - Yes, and I think there will be, 00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:14.400 I think there will be some kind of solution 00:44:14.401 --> 00:44:18.280 for this problem, since we have other, 00:44:18.281 --> 00:44:22.000 I think there are other challenges where I don't, 00:44:22.200 --> 00:44:25.920 where I'm a little, let's see what comes. 00:44:25.921 --> 00:44:30.920 So I think this problem will be manageable sooner or later 00:44:30.921 --> 00:44:34.800 and we can keep it in mind for the minutes 00:44:34.801 --> 00:44:38.800 because we won't get any further, it seems to me. 00:44:38.801 --> 00:44:43.040 - Yes, we need to try and see what happened. 00:44:43.041 --> 00:44:48.040 Okay, then I will, for the first step is to collect 00:44:48.240 --> 00:44:53.760 all the data from every country to add this data 00:44:53.761 --> 00:44:57.880 and after we can try to put the level for students, 00:44:57.881 --> 00:45:00.360 which is more adequate for its level. 00:45:01.810 --> 00:45:03.080 This is what you say. 00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:08.560 About the report, Alan offered to organize the report. 00:45:08.561 --> 00:45:09.997 I have to add some things because I 00:45:09.998 --> 00:45:12.560 haven't not many time to work on this. 00:45:12.561 --> 00:45:17.000 Now there are 56 articles on this date. 00:45:17.001 --> 00:45:20.828 There were only 14 necessary, then we are 00:45:20.829 --> 00:45:23.640 okay here and we need to finish the report. 00:45:23.641 --> 00:45:28.640 Then I will go to my part and see what happens 00:45:28.715 --> 00:45:34.440 because for example, some, the other report, 00:45:34.441 --> 00:45:38.400 list of mitigation climate change has some information 00:45:38.625 --> 00:45:42.280 that can be useful also on the part of the report. 00:45:42.281 --> 00:45:45.520 Then here we have the report. 00:45:45.521 --> 00:45:48.960 I know that many of you have done a very good work. 00:45:50.410 --> 00:45:54.800 Here is the report and we need the, okay, the schema is okay 00:45:54.801 --> 00:45:59.480 but we need to finish this to organize a bit. 00:45:59.481 --> 00:46:07.280 Some parts can be say in many times and some others can be complete. 00:46:07.330 --> 00:46:11.520 I have to complete the mitigation options. 00:46:11.521 --> 00:46:17.280 For example, I did two courses this summer at UNED, two summer schools, 00:46:17.281 --> 00:46:21.520 because I knew that I need to learn more on this thing. 00:46:21.521 --> 00:46:25.840 And at the end is something that you need to be very, 00:46:25.841 --> 00:46:29.504 mitigation option is something that need more 00:46:29.505 --> 00:46:33.280 research in the high level is my conclusion. 00:46:33.281 --> 00:46:38.280 - Okay, then here we have, we can have, for example, 00:46:38.281 --> 00:46:47.000 two weeks to finish any of us this, then Alan can go through the report. 00:46:47.001 --> 00:46:49.240 How many time do you need for this? 00:46:51.940 --> 00:46:56.480 - So my thinking just was that in previous projects, 00:46:56.481 --> 00:46:58.320 when we've had a big report like this, 00:46:58.321 --> 00:47:02.080 ultimately one person then is the editor and they finish it off. 00:47:02.081 --> 00:47:04.520 And historically that's always been called 00:47:04.521 --> 00:47:06.520 for the projects that I've completed. 00:47:06.521 --> 00:47:07.560 - Yeah. 00:47:07.561 --> 00:47:10.600 - Obviously one of the things I do is edit books. 00:47:10.601 --> 00:47:14.520 I've got several books I've edited that are coming out next year. 00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:16.600 So I'm happy to do that and just come back to you 00:47:16.601 --> 00:47:21.920 with queries and clarification about your color coded sections, 00:47:21.921 --> 00:47:24.760 just to make sure that I fully incorporate, 00:47:24.761 --> 00:47:26.560 the comments that people have added, 00:47:26.660 --> 00:47:29.480 different perspective and also just check 00:47:29.481 --> 00:47:32.040 everything's obviously referenced properly. 00:47:32.041 --> 00:47:33.760 And then ultimately it's about pagination. 00:47:33.761 --> 00:47:36.680 It's about getting the references in the right order. 00:47:36.681 --> 00:47:38.803 I'll do that by myself rather than using 00:47:38.804 --> 00:47:40.960 AI 'cause that's- - Okay, thank you, Alan. 00:47:40.961 --> 00:47:45.120 I will try to do as soon as possible because my part is not finished. 00:47:45.121 --> 00:47:49.360 - So yeah, I think it's best if it's done 00:47:49.361 --> 00:47:52.070 for the head of Keen and get something on the 00:47:52.071 --> 00:47:53.866 website, something that people can download 00:47:53.890 --> 00:47:55.720 'cause there's not much there at the moment. 00:47:55.721 --> 00:47:56.560 - Yes, yes. 00:47:56.585 --> 00:47:59.357 - And so we need to start having things on the 00:47:59.358 --> 00:48:02.080 website and this report would be the first. 00:48:02.081 --> 00:48:03.397 And then we can obviously publicize 00:48:03.398 --> 00:48:04.960 that and we can direct people to it. 00:48:04.961 --> 00:48:08.400 And that ties into the dissemination. 00:48:09.050 --> 00:48:13.920 - So by when do you need final contents from us? 00:48:13.921 --> 00:48:15.440 When will you start? 00:48:15.441 --> 00:48:17.120 - Yeah, so if you could just have a look 00:48:17.121 --> 00:48:22.120 at your current content by let's say two weeks time 00:48:22.370 --> 00:48:27.280 and then that gives me two weeks-ish before Kiel, 00:48:28.160 --> 00:48:32.000 perhaps a bit less to put it together. 00:48:32.250 --> 00:48:35.800 If that works. 00:48:35.801 --> 00:48:37.120 So what day is it? 00:48:37.121 --> 00:48:40.560 So should we say the- - Yes, for me it's perfect. 00:48:40.660 --> 00:48:42.720 - Should we say the first, second, ninth? 00:48:42.721 --> 00:48:45.747 - The thing is this part, the list of climate change 00:48:45.748 --> 00:48:52.520 mitigation options that was one task of the project 00:48:53.420 --> 00:48:57.480 is concerned also with the report. 00:48:57.481 --> 00:49:02.480 It was, I read a lot and I put some things 00:49:02.930 --> 00:49:09.920 taken mainly from one of the sources. 00:49:09.921 --> 00:49:13.240 I put also the reference, the source and so on. 00:49:13.241 --> 00:49:16.239 But at the end, I went to the artificial 00:49:16.240 --> 00:49:21.720 intelligence with the articles, the 17. 00:49:21.721 --> 00:49:26.120 We have done 17 articles, Luke and Annette 00:49:26.121 --> 00:49:31.120 and it gave me a very interesting list 00:49:31.121 --> 00:49:36.440 because it classify on a very clear way. 00:49:36.441 --> 00:49:41.360 Then I was very surprised because I did on my own like this, 00:49:41.361 --> 00:49:46.360 say this and who say this, this, who's, which has say this, 00:49:46.560 --> 00:49:50.000 but here is more complete 00:49:50.001 --> 00:49:53.360 because the classification I think is more clear. 00:49:53.361 --> 00:49:55.840 I need to go through these two things 00:49:55.841 --> 00:49:58.240 and to put together or something like that. 00:49:58.241 --> 00:50:00.320 The list is necessary also. 00:50:00.370 --> 00:50:03.400 It doesn't need to be inside the document, 00:50:03.575 --> 00:50:08.400 but perhaps some concept can be there. 00:50:08.401 --> 00:50:09.480 - Yeah, I can sort that. 00:50:09.481 --> 00:50:12.960 - And this is my students because my students also, 00:50:12.961 --> 00:50:19.080 I ask them and I did the survey and this is what they reply to a survey 00:50:19.081 --> 00:50:22.680 about which things they think are important 00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:27.680 for their secondary future teachers. 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:32.480 And they reply me, this work organized by artificial intelligence. 00:50:32.481 --> 00:50:36.640 I have all the replies and the replies says, 00:50:36.641 --> 00:50:41.520 these things is the main replies of them. 00:50:41.521 --> 00:50:44.560 - And Maria Luisa, can I ask one more questions 00:50:44.561 --> 00:50:47.720 concerning the proceedings with this report? 00:50:47.721 --> 00:50:50.280 So if I understood it correctly, 00:50:50.281 --> 00:50:55.240 we still have time till the 12th of October 00:50:55.241 --> 00:50:58.556 to look in our parts and correct whatever we 00:50:58.606 --> 00:51:06.360 want correct, to correct, then it goes to Alan 00:51:06.361 --> 00:51:11.360 and does the editing and is then responsible for, yeah. 00:51:11.361 --> 00:51:17.040 So that it gets a coherent text more or less. 00:51:17.041 --> 00:51:22.040 And then do we still need time in Kiel 00:51:22.290 --> 00:51:24.640 talk about it again or not? 00:51:24.641 --> 00:51:26.200 Because if we need time in Kiel, 00:51:26.201 --> 00:51:29.960 we need to have a slot in Kiel dedicated to the report. 00:51:29.961 --> 00:51:31.640 And this is what I'm asking. 00:51:31.641 --> 00:51:35.640 - Yes, we need to dedicate to the report. 00:51:35.641 --> 00:51:40.141 Perhaps you need before because you will only 00:51:40.191 --> 00:51:43.640 have one week, Alan, because we wouldn't be meet. 00:51:43.641 --> 00:51:46.720 - No, because it's then still not the final version 00:51:46.721 --> 00:51:51.520 that can be approved in Kiel and any things that people feel 00:51:51.521 --> 00:51:54.160 they've been misrepresented, et cetera, can be sorted out. 00:51:54.161 --> 00:51:55.000 - Okay. 00:51:55.001 --> 00:51:55.840 - Perfect. 00:51:55.841 --> 00:51:58.160 So, and what do you think, Anne and Maria, 00:51:58.161 --> 00:52:03.160 how long should we dedicate for talking about the- 00:52:03.161 --> 00:52:07.280 - If we have it in advance, for example, 00:52:07.281 --> 00:52:11.240 we can read before going to the meeting. 00:52:11.241 --> 00:52:12.680 - Yes, of course. 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:15.960 - We don't have time to read everything. 00:52:15.961 --> 00:52:17.560 - We are very busy. 00:52:17.561 --> 00:52:18.560 This is a problem. 00:52:18.561 --> 00:52:19.560 We can try. 00:52:19.561 --> 00:52:23.000 - No, I think- - Any who finish their part, tell to Alan. 00:52:23.001 --> 00:52:25.360 My part is just finished. 00:52:25.361 --> 00:52:28.800 - Yes, and then before Kiel, I think it makes sense 00:52:28.801 --> 00:52:32.800 that everybody brings concrete questions on the report. 00:52:32.801 --> 00:52:38.960 So that we don't start going- No, we can't read 50 pages together. 00:52:38.961 --> 00:52:41.160 That doesn't make sense and we can't do it. 00:52:41.161 --> 00:52:43.040 That's not the way. 00:52:43.041 --> 00:52:48.040 So I think there should be final questions to be answered 00:52:48.041 --> 00:52:50.480 and then agreed on the final version. 00:52:50.530 --> 00:52:54.280 That would make sense in my, so maybe one hour. 00:52:54.281 --> 00:52:56.520 - One hour, 60 minutes, okay? 00:52:56.570 --> 00:52:57.600 - Yes. 00:52:57.601 --> 00:53:02.880 - Because I think- - Because we must not start reading through it. 00:53:02.881 --> 00:53:06.120 So that's absolutely not what we should do. 00:53:06.121 --> 00:53:09.963 - He can present or we can have a reader 00:53:09.964 --> 00:53:13.440 day before going or something like this. 00:53:13.441 --> 00:53:15.680 Then if you finish, tell him, 00:53:17.180 --> 00:53:21.840 I will try to do this weekend, not the other, 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:23.680 or perhaps during the week. 00:53:23.681 --> 00:53:25.760 Okay. 00:53:25.761 --> 00:53:30.360 The lesson plan template, I think to see in Kiel 00:53:30.361 --> 00:53:32.784 because I have, or you prefer to see 00:53:32.785 --> 00:53:35.760 something now, Micaela, it's up to you. 00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:38.880 - What was the question? 00:53:38.881 --> 00:53:40.800 If we prefer to? 00:53:40.801 --> 00:53:42.160 - No, it doesn't matter. 00:53:42.161 --> 00:53:46.480 The plan templates think that the final result 00:53:46.481 --> 00:53:50.200 of the plan template would be on a story map. 00:53:50.201 --> 00:53:53.000 This is telling on the- - There is always- 00:53:53.001 --> 00:53:56.200 - Then we have a template, a template to organize 00:53:56.201 --> 00:53:59.880 or lesson plan, and after we pass to the story map. 00:54:00.430 --> 00:54:04.760 - In the lesson plan, if you have read it, 00:54:04.761 --> 00:54:09.760 there are several options on there to include story mapping. 00:54:11.040 --> 00:54:16.040 That can be in the first place or as a reflection tool. 00:54:16.041 --> 00:54:20.548 So we can decide if we leave all the 00:54:20.549 --> 00:54:23.920 options open or if we create a more- 00:54:24.870 --> 00:54:31.840 - Can you maybe just very quickly explain, Micaela, 00:54:31.841 --> 00:54:33.120 what you mean with different options? 00:54:33.121 --> 00:54:35.200 Because I must be also, I haven't seen, 00:54:35.201 --> 00:54:37.560 I haven't looked at the lesson plan template yet, sorry. 00:54:37.561 --> 00:54:39.910 - Yeah, so maybe it makes sense if you have 00:54:39.911 --> 00:54:42.920 a look at it and we talk about it in key. 00:54:42.921 --> 00:54:47.040 Because I just made several options. 00:54:47.041 --> 00:54:49.600 I go like we did in GI learner. 00:54:49.601 --> 00:54:52.727 I went through not one lesson, but a 00:54:52.777 --> 00:54:57.560 teaching section or how do you call it? 00:54:57.561 --> 00:54:58.520 Sequence. 00:54:58.521 --> 00:55:05.040 And that might be one or two hours or maybe a bit more, whatever. 00:55:05.041 --> 00:55:07.840 And there are options like steps you can take, 00:55:07.841 --> 00:55:12.240 but you don't need to do all of them into very depth and so on. 00:55:12.241 --> 00:55:16.200 And there are at least two options to your story maps, 00:55:16.201 --> 00:55:20.600 either in data collection and bringing things together, 00:55:20.601 --> 00:55:24.200 or at the end, when the whole process is finished, 00:55:24.201 --> 00:55:27.920 if you decide to go through it the way that is suggested, 00:55:27.921 --> 00:55:32.920 it can also use to share your own findings to the public, 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:35.200 to class, to parents, whatever. 00:55:35.201 --> 00:55:41.720 So this is the two places I remember I gave the option of using it. 00:55:41.721 --> 00:55:44.560 - And perhaps we need some key topics. 00:55:46.510 --> 00:55:50.200 - That's for when we agree on the template 00:55:50.201 --> 00:55:54.240 or on a form or possibility of the template, 00:55:54.241 --> 00:55:57.600 then we can easily fill it with topics, I think. 00:55:58.100 --> 00:56:00.520 That can be done. 00:56:00.521 --> 00:56:03.360 - Where can I find this document? 00:56:03.410 --> 00:56:04.640 On which section is that? 00:56:07.540 --> 00:56:09.400 - Did I send it? 00:56:09.401 --> 00:56:10.280 Did I upload it? 00:56:10.281 --> 00:56:13.320 I don't remember that was in summer. 00:56:13.321 --> 00:56:15.960 - I think you send it and- 00:56:15.961 --> 00:56:20.720 - I sent it and I uploaded it somewhere on Moodle. 00:56:21.820 --> 00:56:22.560 I need to check. 00:56:22.561 --> 00:56:25.760 - I already commented on it. 00:56:25.761 --> 00:56:26.600 - Yes. 00:56:26.601 --> 00:56:28.880 - For me, it was also like a little bit- - I see now. 00:56:28.881 --> 00:56:29.720 - Difficult. 00:56:29.721 --> 00:56:31.960 - Template for review, yeah. 00:56:31.961 --> 00:56:32.961 - Yeah. 00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:36.880 And I think it makes perfectly sense 00:56:36.881 --> 00:56:39.640 to answer these questions when we meet. 00:56:40.490 --> 00:56:41.400 - Okay. 00:56:41.401 --> 00:56:46.385 But just because I really don't, I talked with 00:56:46.386 --> 00:56:53.920 Julia and with Zinia about this work package three. 00:56:53.921 --> 00:56:57.000 And I think this is also part of work 00:56:57.001 --> 00:56:59.760 package three, if I'm not mistaken. 00:56:59.761 --> 00:57:01.400 Yeah, three, six. 00:57:01.401 --> 00:57:09.720 And for us, it was not the, and it's 100% okay, but for me or for us, 00:57:09.721 --> 00:57:14.360 it was not 100% clear what we have to do. 00:57:14.361 --> 00:57:19.360 And maybe we can also dedicate some time 00:57:19.560 --> 00:57:21.440 for discussing maybe, 00:57:21.441 --> 00:57:25.263 because maybe we have different ideas about what 3. 00:57:25.264 --> 00:57:28.680 6 indicates. 00:57:30.905 --> 00:57:36.480 Maybe we can have some time to clear up where the story map comes in 00:57:36.481 --> 00:57:40.960 and where the lesson plan comes in and where emotions come in. 00:57:40.985 --> 00:57:46.280 When I read Michaela's so-called lesson plan, I rather thought, 00:57:46.281 --> 00:57:49.000 and I think that was very helpful as well, 00:57:49.050 --> 00:57:54.000 it was rather like a nice guide for teachers 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:59.120 to consider emotions in teaching. 00:57:59.121 --> 00:58:04.120 And for me, it was a lesson plan or lesson plan format. 00:58:04.121 --> 00:58:07.400 But I think we don't have to discuss it here, 00:58:07.401 --> 00:58:12.400 but I would like to take some time to clear up our task 00:58:12.500 --> 00:58:15.680 and maybe we can find out together. 00:58:15.681 --> 00:58:16.760 - Yes. 00:58:16.761 --> 00:58:22.680 I can add one thing because I had to decide what does make more sense 00:58:22.681 --> 00:58:27.785 to provide some information on how to deal with 00:58:27.786 --> 00:58:31.240 emotions in general, because it can always appear. 00:58:31.241 --> 00:58:35.640 That's the way I decided to create that resource 00:58:35.641 --> 00:58:40.640 or to make one lesson on emotions on climate change. 00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:44.280 That's the easiest way 00:58:44.281 --> 00:58:47.480 because then you can be very strict, very clear and very... 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.378 But I found that being able to deal with 00:58:52.379 --> 00:58:56.360 emotions in any case made more sense, 00:58:56.361 --> 00:58:59.280 but we can easily decide to do it the other way. 00:58:59.281 --> 00:59:01.120 I have no problem at all. 00:59:01.121 --> 00:59:05.080 That's one suggestion and we can have others. 00:59:05.081 --> 00:59:06.400 So, yeah. 00:59:06.401 --> 00:59:10.680 - But I think what I'm missing for the moment, maybe because it's okay, 00:59:10.681 --> 00:59:13.400 we don't see each other so many times, 00:59:13.401 --> 00:59:17.080 is I need to get a bit more overview 00:59:17.081 --> 00:59:19.040 of the connectivity between all the tasks. 00:59:19.041 --> 00:59:21.720 We have been making a lot of things in WordPackage 2, 00:59:21.721 --> 00:59:25.120 like a report, like the one Marilys just shown. 00:59:25.121 --> 00:59:27.000 So we need to see what is the coherence, 00:59:27.001 --> 00:59:30.360 the connectivity between these two, what do we want to reach with it? 00:59:30.361 --> 00:59:35.600 And then what is of this, what will be used in WordPackage 3? 00:59:35.601 --> 00:59:38.400 We go to the concrete lesson templates 00:59:38.401 --> 00:59:40.480 and the materials and the teachers and the training. 00:59:40.481 --> 00:59:44.880 So I think interesting could be at the meeting in Kiel, 00:59:44.881 --> 00:59:48.720 Nina, that we have a moment to get a kind of a short overview. 00:59:48.721 --> 00:59:50.720 Okay, what have we done so far? 00:59:50.721 --> 00:59:51.680 What have you reached? 00:59:51.681 --> 00:59:55.272 What are the main outcomes, points of attention 00:59:55.273 --> 00:59:58.320 needed we have to use in WordPackage 3? 00:59:58.321 --> 01:00:01.280 That way for ourselves, we make sure that there's connectivity 01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:05.680 between WordPackage 2 and 3, but also for the commission later on, 01:00:05.681 --> 01:00:07.280 what's the evaluation that they can see? 01:00:07.281 --> 01:00:09.800 These are really things that have connectivity, 01:00:09.801 --> 01:00:14.320 which are working in progress one under the other. 01:00:14.321 --> 01:00:16.040 Because there's a lot of different parts. 01:00:16.041 --> 01:00:19.320 And if I go to the Moodle course, everything is there. 01:00:19.321 --> 01:00:20.280 Great done, Maria Luisa. 01:00:20.281 --> 01:00:24.360 But the problem is that I lose sometimes an overview and I need that. 01:00:24.361 --> 01:00:30.080 And the Gantt chart is good, but it just mentions what should be done. 01:00:30.081 --> 01:00:33.840 And the fact we should use this first column of Gantt chart 01:00:33.841 --> 01:00:37.440 explain what is the outcome of each of these activities 01:00:37.441 --> 01:00:40.520 and what will be used of this in the next phases. 01:00:40.521 --> 01:00:43.240 - Yeah, and this needs to be understood. 01:00:43.241 --> 01:00:45.160 So that we can apply. 01:00:45.161 --> 01:00:48.280 It doesn't help to have some words in an application. 01:00:48.530 --> 01:00:54.240 - How long do you think we need to talk about it? 01:00:54.241 --> 01:00:57.708 Like one and a half hours to clear up 01:00:57.709 --> 01:01:00.160 our understanding on it or it's too long? 01:01:00.161 --> 01:01:02.760 - I think one hour should be okay, I think. 01:01:04.010 --> 01:01:06.160 And then as well. 01:01:06.161 --> 01:01:08.600 - And if we had time, it would make sense 01:01:08.601 --> 01:01:12.480 just to start everybody to fill in like one topic, 01:01:12.481 --> 01:01:18.520 they would use it with, because we would be into it at this moment. 01:01:18.521 --> 01:01:21.120 And if we started working with it, 01:01:21.121 --> 01:01:24.720 I think that would be very valuable for everybody. 01:01:24.721 --> 01:01:26.160 Not say, okay, now it's done. 01:01:26.161 --> 01:01:29.400 Then we go home and three months later, we have to get into it. 01:01:29.401 --> 01:01:32.960 So if some practical work from our side could be done 01:01:34.110 --> 01:01:37.720 like for half an hour, 45 minutes, that would be good 01:01:37.721 --> 01:01:40.600 because I'm sure everybody has something in mind 01:01:41.720 --> 01:01:44.520 in that moment that could be done that way. 01:01:44.521 --> 01:01:47.000 - And can you say that again, Michaela? 01:01:47.200 --> 01:01:53.520 - There was the question to fill it with topics, which I didn't do. 01:01:53.521 --> 01:01:55.240 I made it very general. 01:01:55.241 --> 01:01:57.920 - Yes, and now I choose the topic for it. 01:01:57.921 --> 01:01:59.640 Can I choose any topics? 01:01:59.641 --> 01:02:05.160 - Yes, you would choose the topic you use. 01:02:05.161 --> 01:02:08.760 You want to try it out in your teaching. 01:02:09.160 --> 01:02:10.600 - For example. 01:02:10.601 --> 01:02:15.000 - Related to climate change, whatever is useful for you 01:02:15.001 --> 01:02:18.600 or you think would be useful for your teacher students. 01:02:18.601 --> 01:02:24.360 - Okay, so for example, could I take, just to give an idea, 01:02:24.361 --> 01:02:30.720 climate change and misinformation in media would be my topic. 01:02:30.721 --> 01:02:33.120 Or I could take the topic, 01:02:37.520 --> 01:02:40.560 stop climate change by planting trees. 01:02:40.561 --> 01:02:45.234 This is what you mean with a topic or what all the 01:02:45.235 --> 01:02:48.600 other understand if we're talking about a topic. 01:02:49.650 --> 01:02:52.039 - I would pass the question on to Maria 01:02:52.040 --> 01:02:53.160 Luisa or who was asking for topics. 01:02:53.161 --> 01:02:55.200 - From my point of view, it's a curriculum. 01:02:55.201 --> 01:02:58.450 For example, on my secondary students 01:02:58.451 --> 01:03:01.400 on the curriculum, they have geography. 01:03:01.401 --> 01:03:04.800 What I do, what I have been doing this year 01:03:04.801 --> 01:03:08.240 is to use geoinformation, artificial intelligence 01:03:08.241 --> 01:03:11.000 and climate change applied to geography. 01:03:11.001 --> 01:03:12.160 What does it mean? 01:03:12.161 --> 01:03:17.760 Then they can take any landscape, an activity who is on the landscape, 01:03:17.761 --> 01:03:21.119 any activity near there, because I have students all 01:03:21.120 --> 01:03:25.120 over the world, it can be near the place they live. 01:03:25.121 --> 01:03:30.120 Any activity, how does this impact on climate change? 01:03:33.410 --> 01:03:37.680 How this activity is implanted in climate change. 01:03:37.681 --> 01:03:42.200 Then you can use any activity, any human activity, 01:03:42.201 --> 01:03:45.160 any human activity impact in the landscape 01:03:45.161 --> 01:03:48.320 and all of them has impact in climate change. 01:03:48.321 --> 01:03:52.800 This is the reflection that I ask my student to do. 01:03:52.801 --> 01:03:55.480 And this is what I try to put in the template 01:03:55.481 --> 01:03:59.200 you don't like, but this is what I did. 01:03:59.201 --> 01:04:02.640 They can use all of these elements. 01:04:02.641 --> 01:04:07.800 - So it can be- - And every year, they use more geoinformation. 01:04:07.801 --> 01:04:10.320 It's very, for me has been very, 01:04:10.620 --> 01:04:15.440 since I upload them to use artificial intelligence, 01:04:15.441 --> 01:04:19.600 they are using more and more geoinformation. 01:04:19.601 --> 01:04:22.640 - But I think indeed what you said is important. 01:04:22.641 --> 01:04:25.000 It has to fit into the curriculum. 01:04:25.001 --> 01:04:27.800 So we'll have to look where it can link to the curriculum 01:04:27.801 --> 01:04:32.840 because if not, tools will not be used or will be less easy used. 01:04:32.841 --> 01:04:36.640 I remember the GI Learn at the time, remember when those were involved? 01:04:36.641 --> 01:04:38.207 One of the things we did was we went through 01:04:38.208 --> 01:04:39.960 the curriculum of all the countries involved 01:04:39.961 --> 01:04:44.120 and looked where GI could be used, where it could fit. 01:04:44.121 --> 01:04:46.080 I think something similar could be important 01:04:46.081 --> 01:04:47.760 for each of the countries involved. 01:04:47.761 --> 01:04:49.520 You have to look where it can be used 01:04:49.521 --> 01:04:55.480 and then I can see if there are at least some, let's say item subjects, 01:04:55.481 --> 01:04:58.520 ages, which are a little link to each other. 01:04:58.521 --> 01:05:00.160 And we can maybe work out these examples 01:05:00.161 --> 01:05:02.200 because we know that at least these will be used 01:05:02.650 --> 01:05:04.240 in these different countries. 01:05:04.241 --> 01:05:05.880 And same for the primary school. 01:05:05.881 --> 01:05:07.961 I think only Daniela is here from primary education, 01:05:08.470 --> 01:05:11.280 but nevertheless, I can have a look in Flanders with a new curriculum, 01:05:11.281 --> 01:05:14.560 what is about it for the primary education as well. 01:05:14.561 --> 01:05:16.440 And now we can see what can be used. 01:05:17.290 --> 01:05:20.240 - Yes, and still I think we should not exaggerate 01:05:20.241 --> 01:05:22.500 in comparing things because I think that's 01:05:22.501 --> 01:05:25.240 not one of the main points of the proposal. 01:05:25.241 --> 01:05:28.560 - No, but if you want to have- - No, but we can't, but I see, 01:05:28.561 --> 01:05:32.177 I see the use and I see the synergy, of 01:05:32.178 --> 01:05:35.520 course, but I'm a bit afraid that we start, 01:05:35.521 --> 01:05:37.800 that we end up discussing if things fit 01:05:37.801 --> 01:05:41.080 and how they fit and to try to find and so on, you know? 01:05:41.081 --> 01:05:45.640 - Yes, for example, I can propose one topic 01:05:45.641 --> 01:05:48.720 that it will be useful on my own curriculum. 01:05:48.721 --> 01:05:52.160 - Okay. - And you can say, yes, for me, it's also possible or not. 01:05:52.161 --> 01:05:53.920 I don't use this at all. 01:05:53.921 --> 01:05:56.120 But that's a matter because if you are working a lot 01:05:56.121 --> 01:06:01.280 on one project, at least you need to apply to your own students. 01:06:01.281 --> 01:06:03.680 - Yes, yes, absolutely. 01:06:03.681 --> 01:06:05.880 - So this can be done very simple. 01:06:05.881 --> 01:06:10.880 If you all provide me preferably Excel or Word document 01:06:11.130 --> 01:06:14.083 with the curricula of your countries, I can put it 01:06:14.084 --> 01:06:18.040 in AI and I can ask, okay, look for similarities. 01:06:18.041 --> 01:06:20.685 It works. - Okay, we will send you our curriculum. 01:06:20.686 --> 01:06:21.520 - Yeah, no problem. 01:06:21.521 --> 01:06:24.440 I can have a look at it and see where we can find 01:06:24.441 --> 01:06:27.960 matching links at least or whatever that can be used. 01:06:27.961 --> 01:06:28.800 - A good idea. 01:06:28.801 --> 01:06:31.040 Look, because if we improve their proposal, 01:06:31.041 --> 01:06:33.000 it will be a good thing. - I mean, Michela, 01:06:33.001 --> 01:06:35.320 what you said, we don't have to put too much time 01:06:35.321 --> 01:06:38.640 and emphasis on this, but it can help us at least. 01:06:38.641 --> 01:06:41.560 - Yes, it can help to have a broader offer. 01:06:41.561 --> 01:06:44.080 I understand what you mean. 01:06:44.081 --> 01:06:46.200 And still, if there is a very good idea, 01:06:46.201 --> 01:06:48.360 Nina, for example, has for her students, 01:06:48.361 --> 01:06:51.240 it doesn't need to fit for everybody else. 01:06:51.241 --> 01:06:53.880 - Of course, yeah. - So that was my point. 01:06:53.881 --> 01:06:58.800 For me, it's important to know, I know now I understand this part. 01:06:58.801 --> 01:07:03.320 So it needs a topic for, it needs to be a topic for school students 01:07:03.321 --> 01:07:06.427 in the context of climate change and it needs to be 01:07:06.428 --> 01:07:09.520 in my curriculum and I need to be interested in it. 01:07:09.521 --> 01:07:15.440 And these are the criteria I think of and I can do that, no problem. 01:07:15.441 --> 01:07:19.400 Now, what, and what else do I, 01:07:19.401 --> 01:07:22.475 because I don't understand how this fits 01:07:22.476 --> 01:07:25.000 to the story map and the lesson plan. 01:07:26.250 --> 01:07:29.760 - Because you have an application to your students. 01:07:29.761 --> 01:07:32.600 - And what? - The story map is part 01:07:32.601 --> 01:07:35.760 of the lesson plan of the learning sequence. 01:07:35.761 --> 01:07:38.360 Story mapping can be one part of it. 01:07:38.361 --> 01:07:43.240 - Okay, and the story map needs to be integrated at some point? 01:07:43.241 --> 01:07:44.400 - Yes. 01:07:44.401 --> 01:07:47.280 - And then this is what the proposal says 01:07:47.281 --> 01:07:50.520 and this is why we need to integrate the story map 01:07:50.521 --> 01:07:54.240 somehow cleverly into our lesson, right? 01:07:54.241 --> 01:07:55.080 - Yes. 01:07:55.081 --> 01:07:57.760 - Okay, perfect, I can do that. 01:07:57.761 --> 01:08:00.360 Then probably it will be somewhere 01:08:00.361 --> 01:08:05.360 at the end of the teaching sequence, but fine. 01:08:05.510 --> 01:08:08.440 I can, I also understand that. 01:08:08.441 --> 01:08:09.720 - Can be at the beginning as well. 01:08:09.721 --> 01:08:13.120 You can even have a class that you can build up with story maps. 01:08:13.121 --> 01:08:19.680 - Can we send to Luke or primary and secondary national curriculum? 01:08:19.681 --> 01:08:20.840 - National, lovely national, 01:08:20.940 --> 01:08:24.600 because I know in Germany, they have every, London has their own, 01:08:24.975 --> 01:08:26.640 but at least from your region. 01:08:26.641 --> 01:08:30.080 - Yes, my region is national curriculum. 01:08:30.081 --> 01:08:30.920 It's the same. 01:08:30.921 --> 01:08:31.760 - Yes, it's easy. 01:08:31.761 --> 01:08:33.760 But for example, we have three different ones. 01:08:33.761 --> 01:08:39.120 - Yes, in Spain, we have 17, but I will send you the national 01:08:39.121 --> 01:08:41.120 that it is the umbrella for all of them. 01:08:41.121 --> 01:08:42.121 - Okay. 01:08:42.510 --> 01:08:45.960 - The primary and secondary school, okay? 01:08:45.961 --> 01:08:46.800 - Yeah, possible. 01:08:46.801 --> 01:08:49.320 And then we can see what we can find out. 01:08:49.321 --> 01:08:50.160 I'll enjoy myself. 01:08:50.161 --> 01:08:54.920 - Okay, the main topics or the main competence we need and so on. 01:08:54.921 --> 01:08:58.600 It would be a very interesting study for all of us. 01:08:58.601 --> 01:08:59.440 - Yeah. 01:08:59.441 --> 01:09:00.640 - Yes, thank you very much. 01:09:01.690 --> 01:09:03.840 Okay, or we put on the web. 01:09:03.841 --> 01:09:06.720 - So maybe just to say to web, because it was just a moment away, 01:09:06.721 --> 01:09:09.400 web at the meeting in Peel will provide a moment also 01:09:09.401 --> 01:09:13.120 to get a kind of an overview of all the activities we have done so far 01:09:13.121 --> 01:09:16.280 and what is the connectivity, the link between each of them 01:09:16.281 --> 01:09:17.960 and what will be the next phase to do 01:09:17.961 --> 01:09:21.680 so that it will become clear for all of us what we are doing. 01:09:21.681 --> 01:09:24.480 Because now we're all doing some loose activities 01:09:24.980 --> 01:09:27.840 and we need to see the coherence of everything again. 01:09:27.841 --> 01:09:31.560 - Yeah, should be very interesting to have a little bit of overview. 01:09:31.561 --> 01:09:33.480 (laughing) 01:09:33.481 --> 01:09:37.800 - Particularly for those who connect now, also Miguel Angel. 01:09:37.801 --> 01:09:44.080 - And Nina, sorry to ask, but because it's in Kiel, 01:09:44.081 --> 01:09:47.000 I'm a little bit, I'm again, a little, the pain in the ass, 01:09:47.001 --> 01:09:50.073 but we said for this section, which Luke 01:09:50.074 --> 01:09:53.760 just described, we take around 60 minutes. 01:09:53.761 --> 01:09:56.160 We don't need the perfect time, but around. 01:09:56.161 --> 01:09:58.320 And who is responsible for it? 01:10:00.120 --> 01:10:01.280 - Luke. 01:10:01.281 --> 01:10:02.120 - I can do that. 01:10:02.121 --> 01:10:06.600 - You mean for to make an abstract of the project? 01:10:06.601 --> 01:10:08.160 - Yeah, I can do that. 01:10:08.161 --> 01:10:09.161 - Things together. 01:10:09.280 --> 01:10:14.640 Nina, as we are talking about responsibility 01:10:14.641 --> 01:10:17.600 and now we are coming to the meeting later. 01:10:18.450 --> 01:10:22.040 I have, I'll ask my question later. 01:10:22.041 --> 01:10:22.880 - Okay. 01:10:22.881 --> 01:10:24.240 - When we come to the meeting. 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:28.785 - About the, we can upload our 01:10:28.810 --> 01:10:35.360 curriculum, perhaps in WordPackage 3, no? 01:10:35.361 --> 01:10:38.480 Because this is the lesson plan is here. 01:10:38.481 --> 01:10:40.320 - Yeah, WordPackage 3, yeah. 01:10:40.321 --> 01:10:41.160 - Or in the four. 01:10:41.161 --> 01:10:42.560 - Yeah, put it somewhere maybe and tell the people 01:10:42.561 --> 01:10:44.796 where they have to put it and then I'll have a 01:10:44.797 --> 01:10:47.200 look before the meeting that I can try to find out. 01:10:47.201 --> 01:10:48.680 Will work. 01:10:48.681 --> 01:10:51.480 It will be a half a day or more just using 01:10:51.481 --> 01:10:53.800 all kinds of AI tools and look what's possible. 01:10:53.801 --> 01:10:55.440 But it works finally. 01:10:55.441 --> 01:10:56.441 - Yes. 01:10:57.130 --> 01:11:01.520 Things have changed a lot since Jalen. 01:11:01.521 --> 01:11:04.200 - I know, and I must say they are improved mostly. 01:11:04.201 --> 01:11:06.960 - It's impressive. 01:11:06.961 --> 01:11:11.680 Okay, I put, where we put our curriculum is my question. 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.091 - WordPackage 3 provide maybe a new section 01:11:15.092 --> 01:11:16.520 there where people can put everything. 01:11:16.521 --> 01:11:17.360 - Okay. 01:11:17.361 --> 01:11:19.360 - A primary, one for secondary folder. 01:11:19.361 --> 01:11:22.080 And then if you upload it there, I will have a look at it. 01:11:22.081 --> 01:11:23.960 - Okay, I will put a folder. 01:11:23.961 --> 01:11:25.760 - I will enjoy myself. 01:11:25.761 --> 01:11:29.200 - In WordPackage 3, I will put a folder for this, okay? 01:11:29.201 --> 01:11:30.201 - Okay, good. 01:11:30.890 --> 01:11:34.000 - I will put the folder and after I will put subsections. 01:11:34.830 --> 01:11:42.680 Any other, okay, I will put after. 01:11:42.681 --> 01:11:45.520 Because if not, I will have to stop. 01:11:45.521 --> 01:11:47.880 I am not so quickly, very quickly. 01:11:48.130 --> 01:11:50.480 Continue with the agenda. 01:11:50.481 --> 01:11:53.040 I think that this is clear also, okay? 01:11:53.140 --> 01:11:54.320 - Okay. 01:11:54.321 --> 01:11:57.560 - The dissemination is something very easy. 01:11:57.610 --> 01:11:59.906 You can continue filling and we can 01:11:59.907 --> 01:12:03.920 agree here what to upload in the website. 01:12:03.921 --> 01:12:08.640 If you have something very clear to send to Luke, 01:12:08.641 --> 01:12:12.560 it's okay to up, but if not, we can do this, that. 01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:16.880 The steering group, I think is the contact person of each institution. 01:12:16.881 --> 01:12:17.720 Do you agree? 01:12:17.721 --> 01:12:20.400 I think no, because never say. 01:12:20.401 --> 01:12:24.000 And other issues is to go to GTA Bristol. 01:12:24.001 --> 01:12:27.440 I think that the idea of Luke is very good 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:32.440 to present the project as a whole 01:12:32.740 --> 01:12:36.520 and can be a good thing to present there. 01:12:36.521 --> 01:12:39.200 - Like Alan said also, it's important 01:12:39.201 --> 01:12:42.370 because there's a lot of, there's all teacher 01:12:42.371 --> 01:12:45.640 trainers there from different countries also. 01:12:45.641 --> 01:12:47.960 And that's interesting that we can get feedback from them. 01:12:47.961 --> 01:12:50.760 So maybe we can provide a kind of a questionnaire 01:12:50.761 --> 01:12:54.720 and a form that they can answer and give feedback to us. 01:12:54.721 --> 01:12:57.120 Could be interesting that we can really show something. 01:12:57.121 --> 01:12:59.400 - Someone from my team will go. 01:12:59.401 --> 01:13:04.080 I don't know, perhaps if Miguel Angel can, or me or someone. 01:13:04.081 --> 01:13:06.960 And for the project conference. 01:13:06.961 --> 01:13:08.480 - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:09.840 - You do be very welcome. 01:13:09.841 --> 01:13:11.360 We'd love to see you. 01:13:11.361 --> 01:13:12.720 - Thank you. 01:13:12.721 --> 01:13:15.760 We are recording the session for you and Diana. 01:13:16.160 --> 01:13:19.600 - And I think it's important indeed. 01:13:20.150 --> 01:13:23.593 Each partner go in your own country and see how 01:13:23.594 --> 01:13:25.600 you can, because we are now gradually moving 01:13:25.601 --> 01:13:28.280 to the end of the first year, let's say. 01:13:28.281 --> 01:13:30.600 That means that we should already have some results. 01:13:30.750 --> 01:13:33.520 Like for instance, I'm going to the KNUCH education, 01:13:33.521 --> 01:13:38.320 the Dutch Geographers Education Day in the Netherlands in December. 01:13:38.321 --> 01:13:40.560 I'm going to present some of the results. 01:13:40.561 --> 01:13:42.120 So it could be interesting maybe also to say 01:13:42.121 --> 01:13:45.320 I'm preventing something in a kind of short article 01:13:45.321 --> 01:13:48.360 in a national or regional magazine or something 01:13:48.361 --> 01:13:51.880 that we can prove that we are busy and that we are promoting it. 01:13:51.881 --> 01:13:53.400 Also, the more information I get, 01:13:53.401 --> 01:13:55.920 the more it can be put on the website also, 01:13:55.921 --> 01:13:59.120 which is still in development, but we need to know a bit more exactly 01:13:59.121 --> 01:14:03.040 what we want to the website before we can start working on it. 01:14:03.041 --> 01:14:05.680 - Do you mean to do articles or nationals? 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:09.520 - Articles, presentations, something. 01:14:09.521 --> 01:14:11.240 Yeah, whatever you do to disseminate. 01:14:11.241 --> 01:14:12.760 If I write an article 01:14:12.761 --> 01:14:16.920 in the Flemish Geography Teachers Association newsletter, 01:14:16.921 --> 01:14:18.440 that's kind of dissemination already. 01:14:18.441 --> 01:14:20.760 If I go to a conference, dissemination. 01:14:20.761 --> 01:14:23.040 But we need to have proof of dissemination 01:14:23.240 --> 01:14:24.760 so put them somewhere in a folder, 01:14:24.761 --> 01:14:27.000 but also we can put them on the website 01:14:27.001 --> 01:14:29.320 and to show what's been happening. 01:14:29.321 --> 01:14:35.000 Remember, we had a page with all the presentation conference we did 01:14:35.001 --> 01:14:38.000 as proof of what we did and people can then use this presentation 01:14:38.001 --> 01:14:39.680 for their own if they want to use it. 01:14:39.681 --> 01:14:43.120 So that's a way of disseminating the activities. 01:14:43.121 --> 01:14:46.079 But like I said, this will become more and more as the 01:14:46.080 --> 01:14:49.280 project evolves and we have more results and things 01:14:49.281 --> 01:14:51.044 that we can of course do more 01:14:51.045 --> 01:14:52.961 presentations and dissemination activities, 01:14:53.070 --> 01:14:55.280 but it's never too late to start already. 01:14:55.281 --> 01:14:59.760 Now explain to people what are we doing and how are we working on it. 01:14:59.761 --> 01:15:01.640 And that's why I say it's important and key 01:15:01.641 --> 01:15:05.320 that we have the time to just for ourselves 01:15:05.321 --> 01:15:07.348 sum up what have we been doing, what are we 01:15:07.349 --> 01:15:10.000 doing, what do we want to reach, et cetera. 01:15:10.001 --> 01:15:12.080 We did a video here. 01:15:12.180 --> 01:15:15.000 This is the dissemination UNED has done. 01:15:15.001 --> 01:15:17.960 And these are all the evidences. 01:15:17.961 --> 01:15:20.320 Some of them are videos. 01:15:20.695 --> 01:15:22.360 This is one video about the project. 01:15:23.410 --> 01:15:25.040 This is in Spanish. 01:15:25.041 --> 01:15:26.400 UGENT. 01:15:26.401 --> 01:15:27.240 Is it linked to the website? 01:15:27.241 --> 01:15:28.400 We have not put here yet. 01:15:29.500 --> 01:15:35.280 Yes, this is the plan of dissemination that Alan gave us. 01:15:35.281 --> 01:15:36.640 Sorry. 01:15:36.641 --> 01:15:37.960 I'm not in the room. 01:15:37.961 --> 01:15:40.000 Eurogeo has many dissemination, 01:15:40.001 --> 01:15:46.520 mainly Eurogeo is very active in newsletter and in blogs and so on. 01:15:46.521 --> 01:15:47.360 They have many things. 01:15:47.361 --> 01:15:48.200 That's okay. 01:15:48.201 --> 01:15:49.040 That's something we can also provide. 01:15:49.041 --> 01:15:50.160 Tao has nothing yet. 01:15:51.010 --> 01:15:53.400 Okay, you need to put here. 01:15:53.450 --> 01:15:55.720 Yeah, but I can see what you're doing now 01:15:55.820 --> 01:15:57.800 because you don't have your screen shared. 01:15:59.325 --> 01:16:01.120 I have not my screen share. 01:16:01.121 --> 01:16:01.960 Nope. 01:16:01.961 --> 01:16:03.400 Oh, again, sorry. 01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:08.000 Nina, maybe it's also interesting to have some time, 01:16:08.001 --> 01:16:11.080 a short time about this in Kiel as well. 01:16:12.605 --> 01:16:17.040 About what kind of- Dissemination. 01:16:17.041 --> 01:16:17.880 Dissemination. 01:16:17.881 --> 01:16:19.000 Can you see here? 01:16:19.100 --> 01:16:20.160 Here. 01:16:20.161 --> 01:16:22.000 This is the dissemination. 01:16:22.001 --> 01:16:23.720 I haven't added anything. 01:16:23.745 --> 01:16:27.000 We have 11 things about dissemination. 01:16:27.001 --> 01:16:28.240 Last year I present, 01:16:28.940 --> 01:16:34.160 not Eurogeo, but the misunderstandings related to climate change. 01:16:34.161 --> 01:16:39.160 I did a search and was very interesting for me to- 01:16:39.161 --> 01:16:44.360 Okay, and what do you think for the dissemination to, 01:16:44.361 --> 01:16:48.440 I understand Luke's point that we have to support 01:16:48.441 --> 01:16:50.428 or emphasize dissemination a little 01:16:50.429 --> 01:16:53.360 bit so people get to know the project. 01:16:53.361 --> 01:16:55.920 How, like an hour again or? 01:16:55.921 --> 01:16:57.800 No, I think half an hour should be okay. 01:16:57.801 --> 01:16:59.920 Half an hour, yes. 01:16:59.921 --> 01:17:01.120 This is quick. 01:17:01.121 --> 01:17:02.121 Okay. 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:05.275 We are taking notes, but I have here 01:17:05.276 --> 01:17:07.360 the draft agenda, the last draft agenda. 01:17:07.361 --> 01:17:09.680 Yes, and I think this is now, 01:17:09.681 --> 01:17:14.680 can we switch to the draft agenda just quickly, Maria Luisa? 01:17:14.681 --> 01:17:18.440 Yes, I have the last draft agenda, I think was here. 01:17:18.441 --> 01:17:19.720 The last draft agenda. 01:17:19.721 --> 01:17:23.440 This, I think is the first point, is the one with the number above 01:17:23.441 --> 01:17:26.320 because this is the date we changed it. 01:17:26.321 --> 01:17:32.600 And all the other drafts agendas can be deleted from our point of view. 01:17:32.601 --> 01:17:35.320 From my point of view also, yes, we can. 01:17:35.321 --> 01:17:40.400 Zinnia and me, we- The last one- Zinnia worked on this one. 01:17:40.450 --> 01:17:43.240 The last one is this one. 01:17:43.241 --> 01:17:45.920 I think this is what you work, no? 01:17:45.921 --> 01:17:47.400 In this one. 01:17:47.401 --> 01:17:49.280 No, this is, we worked, 01:17:49.281 --> 01:17:53.280 the last time we worked on it was the one before. 01:17:53.281 --> 01:17:55.400 This one is 30th of September. 01:17:55.401 --> 01:17:57.520 The one before, but it was not there. 01:17:57.521 --> 01:17:58.920 This is 30th of September, it says on the top. 01:17:58.921 --> 01:18:03.160 Demi Kaela, Kallistjans was not inside. 01:18:03.161 --> 01:18:04.240 Okay. 01:18:04.241 --> 01:18:05.080 This is the last one. 01:18:05.081 --> 01:18:05.920 Is this one? 01:18:05.921 --> 01:18:06.760 You can see it on top. 01:18:06.761 --> 01:18:07.600 This one. 01:18:07.601 --> 01:18:08.800 No, this is the other one. 01:18:09.700 --> 01:18:13.205 If you see on top, it's draft agenda of 11th 01:18:13.206 --> 01:18:16.720 September, 26th and the other is September 30th. 01:18:16.721 --> 01:18:18.520 This is 11th September, 26th. 01:18:18.521 --> 01:18:19.920 Yeah, and the other is 30th September. 01:18:19.921 --> 01:18:22.240 But I think we worked parallel. 01:18:22.241 --> 01:18:23.920 The other was created by me. 01:18:23.921 --> 01:18:25.880 Because I already wrote an email 01:18:26.080 --> 01:18:30.560 that we need one draft agenda that we need to delete the other ones. 01:18:30.561 --> 01:18:33.720 Because otherwise we get all mixed up. 01:18:33.721 --> 01:18:37.520 I tried to take the last and was impossible. 01:18:37.521 --> 01:18:42.520 Then what I did is to take the one I thought was the last. 01:18:42.770 --> 01:18:44.400 This is not the last one. 01:18:44.450 --> 01:18:46.240 This is not the last one. 01:18:46.241 --> 01:18:49.040 The last one from my point of view is this one. 01:18:49.041 --> 01:18:52.080 It's parallel because here is still first floor. 01:18:52.081 --> 01:18:57.000 And I remember that Zinja changed it to fourth floor. 01:18:57.001 --> 01:19:02.480 So this is why I said, please don't, please delete the other ones. 01:19:02.481 --> 01:19:07.520 I offer- No, no, we will not delete this one because this is your last. 01:19:07.521 --> 01:19:11.040 I offer to take this one. 01:19:11.041 --> 01:19:12.920 Okay, okay, that's a hot pass. 01:19:12.921 --> 01:19:14.840 And the newest version. 01:19:14.841 --> 01:19:16.680 I will not delete the others 01:19:16.681 --> 01:19:20.200 because everybody has been working in one different. 01:19:20.201 --> 01:19:21.880 Then I need to join. 01:19:21.881 --> 01:19:24.600 Yes, I think we worked in different versions. 01:19:24.601 --> 01:19:26.280 This is the problem. 01:19:26.281 --> 01:19:31.280 And I offer to take this version, which we updated 01:19:31.281 --> 01:19:36.760 and the last version, which is also there. 01:19:36.910 --> 01:19:41.520 But I think this, the other date, it's always the same thing 01:19:41.521 --> 01:19:44.120 if you work on different versions with a group of people, 01:19:44.121 --> 01:19:49.400 somebody doesn't copy from the other one and so on and so forth. 01:19:49.401 --> 01:19:54.400 So I offer to take the version with the 10s, 01:19:55.480 --> 01:19:57.960 the 11th of September, 01:19:57.961 --> 01:20:02.960 and I compare it with the version at the end of September. 01:20:03.010 --> 01:20:07.200 And I will fill in the new and the old data. 01:20:07.201 --> 01:20:10.600 But in the meantime, we should really, 01:20:10.601 --> 01:20:12.720 I only want to work on these two. 01:20:12.721 --> 01:20:16.360 And then I upload one and we need to delete all the other ones 01:20:16.361 --> 01:20:19.560 because I already have foreseen this problem. 01:20:19.561 --> 01:20:21.760 Can you see these two? 01:20:23.060 --> 01:20:24.480 These are the two. 01:20:26.280 --> 01:20:27.760 Can you go up and down? 01:20:29.410 --> 01:20:30.410 Sorry? 01:20:30.490 --> 01:20:34.760 Yes, and for example, I think- If this is for floor, this is yours. 01:20:34.761 --> 01:20:38.000 Then we can change things from that to this. 01:20:38.001 --> 01:20:42.360 I mean- But this is not the one I worked on. 01:20:42.361 --> 01:20:43.200 Yes, yes, I know, I know. 01:20:43.201 --> 01:20:45.040 I worked on the right page. 01:20:45.041 --> 01:20:47.360 Yes, yes, I know, it doesn't matter. 01:20:47.361 --> 01:20:50.720 If they are those who, 01:20:51.120 --> 01:20:53.840 for those who arrive on time. 01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:58.600 And had been previously said- Well, similarly on the German- 01:20:58.601 --> 01:21:01.280 Could you send me those two versions? 01:21:01.281 --> 01:21:02.120 Yes. 01:21:02.121 --> 01:21:03.800 Could you send me those two versions? 01:21:03.801 --> 01:21:07.280 Then I can combine them to one. 01:21:07.281 --> 01:21:08.120 To one, yeah. 01:21:08.121 --> 01:21:11.840 Okay, I can give you, but I would like to discuss something. 01:21:11.841 --> 01:21:15.208 For example, this is too much time perhaps, 01:21:15.209 --> 01:21:17.400 Michaela, because we have not so many time. 01:21:17.401 --> 01:21:19.880 See if you can- It's one and a half hour. 01:21:19.881 --> 01:21:20.720 Yes. 01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:27.720 If we want to talk about it, I think we can put it shorter. 01:21:27.721 --> 01:21:28.560 Yes. 01:21:28.561 --> 01:21:31.000 And then see how it works. 01:21:31.001 --> 01:21:34.560 But yeah, I want it to be- 01:21:35.060 --> 01:21:40.400 We need to put on the 20 things that Alan will be, okay? 01:21:40.650 --> 01:21:42.800 Alan will be on the 20. 01:21:42.801 --> 01:21:45.080 Then this is something to take into account. 01:21:45.081 --> 01:21:46.680 I put here, Alan only today. 01:21:46.681 --> 01:21:50.600 No, no, no, no, that can't be done online anyway. 01:21:50.601 --> 01:21:52.880 No, that can be done online, I know, 01:21:53.455 --> 01:21:56.200 but I say what things I have added. 01:21:56.201 --> 01:21:58.480 Ambassador program, that it was not. 01:21:58.481 --> 01:22:03.480 Ambassador program should be linked to the LTTA course one. 01:22:04.780 --> 01:22:06.400 Nina? 01:22:06.401 --> 01:22:07.240 Okay. 01:22:07.241 --> 01:22:12.280 And the other things I think that you can see and try to put together. 01:22:12.281 --> 01:22:17.280 And there's one more thing, Maria, did you include, but I can check. 01:22:17.320 --> 01:22:22.320 Once I offer, I put them together into one document. 01:22:22.321 --> 01:22:29.040 And then I have a look at it again, 01:22:29.041 --> 01:22:33.080 that those point, which I just listed, 01:22:33.081 --> 01:22:36.214 that was talking about the report for 60 01:22:36.215 --> 01:22:39.520 minutes, then talking about what we have done 01:22:39.521 --> 01:22:43.200 and how it connects up to our work package three. 01:22:43.201 --> 01:22:45.720 Perhaps this could be at the beginning. 01:22:45.721 --> 01:22:48.357 Yes, and the dissemination, I can make an 01:22:48.358 --> 01:22:51.520 offer, how to include it in that program. 01:22:51.521 --> 01:22:54.720 Dissemination can be at the end, it's half an hour. 01:22:54.721 --> 01:22:58.800 And then there was also, I wrote to you 01:22:58.801 --> 01:23:03.200 that one of my students wrote a thesis and she wanted to present it. 01:23:03.201 --> 01:23:07.280 And we agreed on it that this is on Monday 01:23:07.330 --> 01:23:12.280 from one to two o'clock, but I can also include that. 01:23:12.281 --> 01:23:16.840 And then I send it around and you can send me your feedback, 01:23:16.841 --> 01:23:19.240 whether because I might not have understood 01:23:19.241 --> 01:23:22.080 some of the points or how long they take. 01:23:22.081 --> 01:23:25.676 The only questions I have, that was what we have been 01:23:25.677 --> 01:23:28.840 asking ourselves when we went through the schedule. 01:23:29.240 --> 01:23:34.373 Could we also start earlier, like at nine o'clock, or do you think 9. 01:23:34.374 --> 01:23:37.440 30, because everybody has to work parallel or something? 01:23:37.441 --> 01:23:40.640 Nine o'clock is, I think we can begin at nine o'clock. 01:23:40.641 --> 01:23:44.920 Yes, because I think it's easier if we start at nine o'clock. 01:23:44.921 --> 01:23:45.760 Yes. 01:23:45.761 --> 01:23:49.640 And then there was one more question, but I think we have to- 01:23:49.641 --> 01:23:52.542 Nine o'clock, and the break for the 01:23:52.543 --> 01:23:55.560 coffee break, everybody for the first day, 01:23:55.561 --> 01:24:00.240 everybody take their own something from their place, okay? 01:24:01.240 --> 01:24:05.600 And I don't know if we have the coffee break, 01:24:05.601 --> 01:24:09.320 the breakfast on the hotel, do you know? 01:24:09.321 --> 01:24:10.160 I don't know if- 01:24:10.280 --> 01:24:13.520 I think you could, if you booked it, 01:24:14.120 --> 01:24:17.800 there is also the option to take breakfast in the hotel. 01:24:17.801 --> 01:24:22.800 Okay, but for the reason, we need to put this like half past 10, 01:24:22.801 --> 01:24:30.000 because if we put at half past nine, as Michaela did, is not worthy, no? 01:24:30.001 --> 01:24:34.640 Because we are just- But the hotel is next to the building. 01:24:34.641 --> 01:24:35.800 Yes, for the reason, 01:24:35.801 --> 01:24:40.200 I think that would be better at half past three, a half past 10. 01:24:40.201 --> 01:24:43.680 This thing about the charge count, you can put at the end, 01:24:43.681 --> 01:24:46.240 when we discuss about the next meetings. 01:24:47.040 --> 01:24:47.960 Okay. 01:24:47.961 --> 01:24:49.440 Because perhaps we need to change 01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:53.760 or to adjust some dates, if it is possible. 01:24:54.710 --> 01:24:57.840 And we need to put the last meeting for UNED, 01:24:57.841 --> 01:25:00.680 then you can put the Gantt chart at the end, 01:25:00.730 --> 01:25:04.280 because it's something that has a summarize of everything. 01:25:04.281 --> 01:25:06.880 I understand, Gantt chart at the end? 01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:10.000 I understand, we change it to nine o'clock. 01:25:10.001 --> 01:25:14.000 Michaela would like to begin with the warm up activity. 01:25:14.001 --> 01:25:17.280 Yes, I think this is already in the other document. 01:25:17.281 --> 01:25:18.560 Yes, it's there. 01:25:18.561 --> 01:25:21.720 And I think it's really good to get together for everybody 01:25:21.721 --> 01:25:25.760 and to slow down and get out of their daily business and so on. 01:25:25.761 --> 01:25:29.280 So I'm really confident that this will help us 01:25:29.281 --> 01:25:31.640 in the project and in the whole meeting. 01:25:31.641 --> 01:25:33.200 Okay, we trust in you. 01:25:33.201 --> 01:25:35.600 And then this will be delayed? 01:25:35.601 --> 01:25:36.640 Thank you. 01:25:36.641 --> 01:25:40.240 And put the Michaela initiative. 01:25:40.241 --> 01:25:41.080 Yes. 01:25:41.081 --> 01:25:41.920 Okay. 01:25:41.921 --> 01:25:46.920 And a draft presentation about the presentation of Luke, 01:25:46.921 --> 01:25:51.880 I think, because we need to have an overview. 01:25:51.881 --> 01:25:52.720 Yeah. 01:25:52.721 --> 01:25:55.280 I think this will be the first. 01:25:55.281 --> 01:25:58.160 And your student, at what time will we present your student? 01:25:59.260 --> 01:26:04.440 One moment, please, so I can... Because the lesson plan is a result. 01:26:04.441 --> 01:26:07.200 Then we need to have all the other things. 01:26:07.225 --> 01:26:10.280 For example, Luke can also explain us the result 01:26:10.281 --> 01:26:14.360 for the curriculum at the end of his speech, no? 01:26:14.361 --> 01:26:22.120 The student is coming on Monday, 19th of October at one o'clock. 01:26:22.121 --> 01:26:22.960 Okay. 01:26:22.961 --> 01:26:27.200 And I think she, I talked to Maria Luisa before 01:26:27.201 --> 01:26:30.040 and asked whether this is interesting for our group. 01:26:30.065 --> 01:26:33.720 And Maria Luisa said it is, and I think it really is. 01:26:33.721 --> 01:26:37.840 She is doing her master thesis on emotions 01:26:37.841 --> 01:26:42.560 and climate change visualizations. 01:26:42.561 --> 01:26:47.360 And she concentrates on mathematic visualizations. 01:26:47.361 --> 01:26:49.200 And I think it will be interesting. 01:26:49.201 --> 01:26:53.200 So she will present her work for 20 minutes 01:26:53.201 --> 01:26:56.160 and then we can discuss or ask her questions 01:26:56.161 --> 01:27:01.160 because she has used a scale for measuring the emotions 01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:04.840 of young adults and students, but 01:27:04.841 --> 01:27:07.920 pre-service teachers not students in school. 01:27:09.620 --> 01:27:10.520 Yeah. 01:27:10.521 --> 01:27:11.521 Perfect. 01:27:12.110 --> 01:27:15.200 I think that the web presentation can be deleted 01:27:15.201 --> 01:27:20.200 because perhaps Luke can be used the web in his speech. 01:27:20.325 --> 01:27:25.080 But maybe- This can be deleted also. 01:27:25.081 --> 01:27:30.080 Yes, but shouldn't we have some time after Luke talks 01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.680 or we all talk about what have we done so far 01:27:33.681 --> 01:27:37.440 and how do we connect it to work package three? 01:27:37.441 --> 01:27:42.440 I think co-working on whatever we now think 01:27:43.240 --> 01:27:47.560 what we do in the lesson plan might be a useful activity. 01:27:47.610 --> 01:27:49.280 Yes, yes, yes. 01:27:49.281 --> 01:27:51.760 First to clarify. 01:27:51.761 --> 01:27:52.600 Yes, yes. 01:27:52.601 --> 01:27:55.880 I think co-working for about lesson plan is very important. 01:27:55.881 --> 01:27:57.160 Yes. 01:27:57.161 --> 01:28:00.632 These things about information can be put 01:28:00.633 --> 01:28:03.560 at the end at the end of the second day. 01:28:03.561 --> 01:28:06.740 The next meeting information can be 01:28:06.741 --> 01:28:09.240 done at the end of the meeting perhaps 01:28:10.390 --> 01:28:13.640 because we will need our energy during the day. 01:28:13.641 --> 01:28:15.640 And this is not so tired. 01:28:15.641 --> 01:28:17.982 But I think we somewhere we have to 01:28:17.983 --> 01:28:21.080 put in the report as well because this, 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:28.280 but maybe we put in the report at the 01:28:28.281 --> 01:28:31.640 Tuesday where Ellen is also part of it or? 01:28:31.990 --> 01:28:34.760 Yeah, maybe better Tuesday. 01:28:34.761 --> 01:28:36.840 Maybe somewhere in the morning can do it. 01:28:38.390 --> 01:28:42.600 Because he has to teach on Wednesday, 01:28:42.601 --> 01:28:44.720 when he's leaving in the afternoon, 01:28:44.721 --> 01:28:47.000 he can't stay till the end of the day 01:28:47.001 --> 01:28:52.000 because it was very shortly that he decided 01:28:52.001 --> 01:28:54.120 he was also involved in this project now. 01:28:54.121 --> 01:28:55.121 That's why. 01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:59.600 He can choose the slot. 01:28:59.601 --> 01:29:04.600 Alan can choose the slot or can tell us the slot for this. 01:29:04.601 --> 01:29:06.680 Okay? 01:29:06.681 --> 01:29:11.720 Then if we need some more time here, we can put more time. 01:29:11.721 --> 01:29:12.560 But I think. 01:29:12.710 --> 01:29:13.600 Okay, perfect. 01:29:13.601 --> 01:29:17.840 And the co-working to organize the course for Colin. 01:29:17.841 --> 01:29:20.640 I think this would be to have a first draft 01:29:20.641 --> 01:29:24.640 connecting with the ambassador program. 01:29:24.641 --> 01:29:27.720 And I think again, I think it might be useful. 01:29:27.721 --> 01:29:32.040 Maria Luisa, you already prepared like a long document I've seen. 01:29:32.041 --> 01:29:35.920 So maybe we need to again agree 01:29:35.921 --> 01:29:38.600 or have some time to talk about the document, 01:29:38.601 --> 01:29:43.600 how this is about the teaching course, I think. 01:29:43.601 --> 01:29:47.151 So that we take again 60 minutes to talk 01:29:47.152 --> 01:29:50.880 about the course, which is I think in Cologne. 01:29:50.881 --> 01:29:54.000 Yes, I can prepare a document for this. 01:29:54.001 --> 01:29:55.240 Yes, yes, yes. 01:29:55.241 --> 01:29:56.280 You already did. 01:29:56.281 --> 01:29:57.960 Yes, yes, yes, yes, perfect. 01:29:57.961 --> 01:30:00.760 I will prepare a draft for this. 01:30:00.761 --> 01:30:03.440 So, and I think it's not a co-working then, 01:30:03.441 --> 01:30:05.960 but it's first a talk about what is the draft. 01:30:05.961 --> 01:30:09.600 A talk and after we can co-work. 01:30:09.601 --> 01:30:10.601 Yes, okay. 01:30:12.090 --> 01:30:15.320 Because it's very important to interact. 01:30:15.321 --> 01:30:18.817 But I think we also have the dissemination 01:30:18.818 --> 01:30:21.800 activities and website we wanted to talk about. 01:30:21.801 --> 01:30:25.160 So this should also take place at that day. 01:30:25.161 --> 01:30:27.400 We have done many dissemination activities 01:30:27.401 --> 01:30:31.040 and I put there thinking that you can see them. 01:30:32.390 --> 01:30:35.840 Because if you go inside, you can link, 01:30:35.841 --> 01:30:39.240 you can see the dissemination activity we have done. 01:30:39.241 --> 01:30:42.920 We have the video and we have the PowerPoint also. 01:30:42.921 --> 01:30:47.680 We haven't write anything yet because it is too early. 01:30:47.681 --> 01:30:49.376 But I think it's a good decision of 01:30:49.377 --> 01:30:51.920 Luke just to talk about it 30 minutes. 01:30:51.921 --> 01:30:53.040 What do we have? 01:30:53.041 --> 01:30:54.640 Where do we have it? 01:30:54.641 --> 01:31:00.800 But that's your own data of dissemination on the place in Moodle. 01:31:00.801 --> 01:31:05.440 Yeah, but can we just have a slot for it on Tuesday? 01:31:05.441 --> 01:31:10.440 Yes, yes, but upload your dissemination activities before 01:31:10.441 --> 01:31:13.600 if you have any, if you haven't, doesn't matter. 01:31:13.601 --> 01:31:14.440 Yeah. 01:31:14.540 --> 01:31:15.280 Okay. 01:31:15.455 --> 01:31:17.160 And the other question, 01:31:17.410 --> 01:31:21.800 we will go to the EuroJel conference with a session or not? 01:31:21.801 --> 01:31:23.400 Yes. 01:31:23.401 --> 01:31:26.640 I think so it would be interesting to have a session 01:31:26.641 --> 01:31:31.640 and good thing to do something as focus groups or a survey. 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:37.040 We can make a session where we also talk about 01:31:37.215 --> 01:31:39.600 that can be part, also explain what we do 01:31:39.850 --> 01:31:41.720 in the work package to explanation 01:31:41.721 --> 01:31:44.680 of what is about climate change and social emotional learning 01:31:44.681 --> 01:31:48.600 because not everybody disturbs social emotional learning 01:31:48.601 --> 01:31:52.360 is as obvious climate change of course more obvious 01:31:52.361 --> 01:31:55.880 but we should get kind of a critical framework 01:31:55.881 --> 01:31:58.000 and then we can do some practical activities 01:31:58.001 --> 01:32:02.120 with what we already created and maybe people can also create things. 01:32:02.121 --> 01:32:03.920 So that would be a very nice session 01:32:03.921 --> 01:32:07.360 having a kind of part of theory and part of practice. 01:32:07.361 --> 01:32:08.200 No problem. 01:32:08.201 --> 01:32:09.040 Yes. 01:32:09.041 --> 01:32:09.880 We can do this. 01:32:09.881 --> 01:32:10.720 I think so. 01:32:10.721 --> 01:32:11.560 Nina. 01:32:11.660 --> 01:32:12.400 Yeah. 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:13.400 Like a workshop. 01:32:13.401 --> 01:32:15.840 A question for the- Kind of a workshop, yeah. 01:32:15.841 --> 01:32:16.840 Workshop, yes. 01:32:16.841 --> 01:32:18.600 Let's see what we see in KL. 01:32:18.601 --> 01:32:20.760 Perhaps we can see something. 01:32:20.761 --> 01:32:25.760 And I think that the meeting on is before, 01:32:26.310 --> 01:32:31.560 is before the conference or after the meeting in- 01:32:33.660 --> 01:32:34.560 Ah. 01:32:34.561 --> 01:32:35.400 It's before. 01:32:35.401 --> 01:32:39.440 It's before the meeting in- Yassi. 01:32:39.441 --> 01:32:40.280 In Yassi. 01:32:40.281 --> 01:32:41.400 In Yass. 01:32:41.401 --> 01:32:42.760 It's before the meeting. 01:32:42.761 --> 01:32:45.372 Then we can, in this time perhaps we have 01:32:45.373 --> 01:32:47.680 more clear what to do with the people. 01:32:47.681 --> 01:32:48.520 Okay, good. 01:32:48.521 --> 01:32:50.200 Let's see we are succeed 01:32:50.225 --> 01:32:53.480 because sometimes we are also are not very successful 01:32:53.481 --> 01:32:55.960 but we need to disseminate our ideas. 01:32:55.961 --> 01:32:56.961 We have to. 01:32:59.025 --> 01:32:59.920 Okay. 01:32:59.921 --> 01:33:00.760 Okay. 01:33:00.761 --> 01:33:01.600 Nina. 01:33:01.601 --> 01:33:02.440 Yeah. 01:33:02.441 --> 01:33:03.280 Alan has a question. 01:33:03.281 --> 01:33:05.160 Alan has a question first. 01:33:05.210 --> 01:33:10.280 Where is the Eurogeo conference next year? 01:33:10.281 --> 01:33:11.120 Do we know? 01:33:11.121 --> 01:33:12.280 Budapest. 01:33:12.281 --> 01:33:13.281 Okay. 01:33:13.320 --> 01:33:13.960 Budapest. 01:33:13.961 --> 01:33:14.800 Budapest. 01:33:14.801 --> 01:33:18.680 Yeah, and it's on the 28th, is it Tuesday? 01:33:18.681 --> 01:33:21.840 No, Thursday, 27th, Friday, 28th of May. 01:33:21.841 --> 01:33:26.520 In my signature, at the end of my signature, it is always put. 01:33:26.521 --> 01:33:27.360 Ah, okay. 01:33:27.361 --> 01:33:30.200 Okay, I always put, every year I put the date there. 01:33:30.201 --> 01:33:31.400 So it's Thursday and Friday 01:33:31.401 --> 01:33:34.840 with a conference field trip on Saturday always. 01:33:34.890 --> 01:33:35.920 I'll add that to the minutes. 01:33:35.921 --> 01:33:40.800 And is there budget for people attending such an event? 01:33:40.801 --> 01:33:41.640 Yeah, there is. 01:33:41.641 --> 01:33:42.960 Should be. 01:33:42.961 --> 01:33:45.920 Okay, I shall have a look. 01:33:45.921 --> 01:33:46.921 Thank you. 01:33:47.110 --> 01:33:52.400 Nina, my question was in the meeting room, 01:33:52.401 --> 01:33:55.280 will there be something other than digital devices 01:33:55.281 --> 01:33:59.520 for writing and typing, like a blackboard or a whiteboard? 01:34:00.220 --> 01:34:04.280 Somewhere we can take notes? 01:34:04.281 --> 01:34:05.960 In the room, no. 01:34:05.961 --> 01:34:12.160 We only have a digital thingy, but I can bring everything you need. 01:34:12.161 --> 01:34:14.000 That would be great. 01:34:14.001 --> 01:34:17.240 In the cellar, we have whatever you want. 01:34:17.241 --> 01:34:23.760 And if you tell me on Sunday night, then on Monday morning, I can... 01:34:23.761 --> 01:34:25.080 Monday morning, we'll be a type of short form again. 01:34:25.081 --> 01:34:26.240 Can I tell you now? 01:34:26.241 --> 01:34:28.640 A flip chart would be good. 01:34:28.641 --> 01:34:30.120 Flip chart. 01:34:30.121 --> 01:34:33.520 And just one more thing. 01:34:33.521 --> 01:34:34.360 Thank you. 01:34:34.361 --> 01:34:37.680 Maria Luisa, do you send me the two versions? 01:34:37.681 --> 01:34:40.480 Yes, it's what I am doing now. 01:34:40.481 --> 01:34:42.560 Just put it on the chat. 01:34:42.710 --> 01:34:43.800 Okay. 01:34:43.801 --> 01:34:48.160 I think, I don't know, they are not the two. 01:34:48.161 --> 01:34:49.160 I will put. 01:34:49.161 --> 01:34:54.120 So Nina, depending on the punctuality of the German railway, 01:34:54.121 --> 01:34:56.960 Wim and I will be on time on Sunday evening. 01:34:56.961 --> 01:34:58.960 Yes. 01:34:58.961 --> 01:35:01.160 I know this is tricky. 01:35:01.161 --> 01:35:04.320 Yes, this will be tricky, but you all know. 01:35:04.321 --> 01:35:06.292 First, I thought I need to give you my mobile 01:35:06.293 --> 01:35:08.720 phone number, but you all know our chat. 01:35:08.721 --> 01:35:11.545 So whenever there are any problems or you got 01:35:11.546 --> 01:35:14.840 stuck somewhere, let us know if we can help you. 01:35:14.841 --> 01:35:18.080 As you can see, we are three people here. 01:35:18.081 --> 01:35:25.440 So, and Julia, me or Zinia, we can probably do something for you. 01:35:25.441 --> 01:35:27.480 We will always get there. 01:35:27.481 --> 01:35:28.320 Except. 01:35:28.321 --> 01:35:30.320 Be prepared that you get stuck. 01:35:30.321 --> 01:35:34.600 Be prepared that you take longer because this is usually the case. 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:37.920 Wim and I are prepared. 01:35:37.921 --> 01:35:40.720 I hope I'll arrive on the same day. 01:35:42.545 --> 01:35:45.000 Well, it's experience, we'll see. 01:35:45.100 --> 01:35:47.440 Yeah. 01:35:47.441 --> 01:35:49.560 The brave one takes the Deutsche Bahn. 01:35:49.585 --> 01:35:54.160 Yeah, we are brave people. 01:35:54.210 --> 01:35:55.280 Yeah, me too. 01:35:55.281 --> 01:35:56.281 I choose. 01:35:56.970 --> 01:35:58.640 They write. 01:35:58.641 --> 01:35:59.760 I will have to leave. 01:35:59.761 --> 01:36:01.320 I have to go back to the classroom now 01:36:01.395 --> 01:36:03.320 because my colleagues finished their part. 01:36:03.321 --> 01:36:05.320 I have to start again with my part now. 01:36:05.321 --> 01:36:06.400 So sorry about it. 01:36:06.900 --> 01:36:09.240 Wim, I'll get in touch with you next week. 01:36:09.241 --> 01:36:10.920 Also the other problems that you talked about. 01:36:10.921 --> 01:36:13.520 Can we have a photograph about this? 01:36:13.521 --> 01:36:14.360 Yes, you can have a photograph. 01:36:14.361 --> 01:36:17.160 Let's see if we are, if I am able to do that. 01:36:17.161 --> 01:36:20.800 If we all put on our camera, whether we can have a nice picture. 01:36:20.801 --> 01:36:21.801 Yes. 01:36:22.790 --> 01:36:24.120 Let's see because. 01:36:24.320 --> 01:36:30.440 Any of you guys able to do that? 01:36:30.441 --> 01:36:31.280 Or me? 01:36:31.281 --> 01:36:35.160 (speaking in foreign language) Yeah. 01:36:35.161 --> 01:36:39.480 I know to do that with the scissors. 01:36:40.330 --> 01:36:41.880 I have it, no problem. 01:36:41.881 --> 01:36:42.920 Is what I do. 01:36:42.921 --> 01:36:43.760 You have it? 01:36:43.810 --> 01:36:45.680 Yeah, yep, I have it. 01:36:45.681 --> 01:36:47.160 Okay, thank you very much. 01:36:47.161 --> 01:36:48.000 Oh, sorry. 01:36:48.100 --> 01:36:49.320 You are quicker than me. 01:36:49.321 --> 01:36:51.560 (laughing) 01:36:51.561 --> 01:36:53.240 You have doubled me now. 01:36:53.241 --> 01:36:54.760 So are we done? 01:36:55.710 --> 01:36:56.880 Looks like we were done. 01:36:56.881 --> 01:36:57.720 Yes. 01:36:57.721 --> 01:36:58.560 Anyway. 01:36:58.561 --> 01:36:59.400 And we are all tired. 01:36:59.401 --> 01:37:00.240 We need to go home. 01:37:00.241 --> 01:37:01.641 Yes, I will look forward to come to Kiel. 01:37:01.665 --> 01:37:04.960 Never been there, so for me it's a new experience to see something new. 01:37:04.961 --> 01:37:05.800 Yes. 01:37:05.801 --> 01:37:10.960 Yes, so we are very happy to welcome you here and have a safe journey. 01:37:10.961 --> 01:37:11.800 Okay, thank you very much. 01:37:11.801 --> 01:37:12.960 Thank you so much. 01:37:12.961 --> 01:37:13.800 Thank you very much. 01:37:13.801 --> 01:37:14.640 Bye. 01:37:14.641 --> 01:37:15.480 Bye. 01:37:15.481 --> 01:37:16.481 Bye.